Prunebutt

Prunebutt , 20 days ago to Memes in for all the "anti-authoritarians" out there

I didn't claim Marx denounced dogmatism.

Prunebutt , 20 days ago to Memes in for all the "anti-authoritarians" out there

Ok, I've read it and I'm not impressed. The post on hexbear tries to act as if they were seriously considering the anarchist point of view, they are constantly being disingenuous.

The biggest point of critique againstEngels is that he is effectively strawmanning anti-authoritarians, by using a definition of authority that differs from the anarchist definition in a fundamental way. While the hexbear author acknowledges that fact in the beginning and seems to take the (IMHO flawed) definition of the anarchist's critique at face value, he repeats the same mistake that Engels did and takes Engels' definition as the only logical one.

Prunebutt , 20 days ago to Memes in for all the "anti-authoritarians" out there

They misrepresented my point. Enough that I don't care to continue.

Prunebutt , 20 days ago to Memes in for all the "anti-authoritarians" out there

Lol, not dipping into that cesspool.

Prunebutt , 20 days ago to Memes in for all the "anti-authoritarians" out there

I do argue in good faith

Yes, all of the Marxists have failed to understand Marx, it is in fact *Prunebutt* who resurrected Marx and got him to denounce everyone who used his ideas.

sure you do /s

Prunebutt , 20 days ago to Memes in for all the "anti-authoritarians" out there

please explain [...]

No. You've shown that you don't argue in good faith, at least with the paragraph above that request. Good luck with your vanguard strategy.

Prunebutt , 20 days ago to Memes in for all the "anti-authoritarians" out there

I'm not claiming he denounced his own ideas, but rather the people claiming to represent marxism. I'm not claiming that anyone worshipped Marx, but that they misunderstood his work.

No, sorry. Claiming that a state can work to not enslave the masses, just because "the right people" are in charge is the actual idealism.

Your claim about representation is wrong, too. Sorry. Anarchist regions have collapsed due to external military pressure. You should read a book on how well the material conditions improved in Catalonia. Sorry, your claims about anarghist regions failing to improve their material condition runs counter to reality and to the actual Marxist theory (that only the people can free themselves, etc.)

The whole planned economy was bogus. What do you think a class is?

Again, you claim that you know anything about anarchist theory and show time and time again that you don't have the slightest of an idea.

Prunebutt , 20 days ago to Memes in for all the "anti-authoritarians" out there

While he didn't specifically denounce Lenin or Mao, he himself exclaimed once, reacting to self-appointed Marxists: "All I know is that I'm not a marxist." That's what I was referencing.

Are you sure you read anarchist theory? Bakunin didn't claim that states "had issues". Here's a quote, for example:

That is because no state, not even the most republican and democratic, not even the pseudo-popular state contemplated by Marx, in essence represents anything but government of the masses from above downward, by an educated and thereby privileged minority which supposedly understands the real interests of the people better than the people themselves.

The USSR was a state-capitalist state, where the bourgeoisy was replaced with bureaucrats - as predicted by Bakunin. If it were truly socialist, it wouldn't have taken away power from the soviets and Lenin wouldn't have abolished unions in favour of his high-modernist ideas.

Prunebutt , 20 days ago to Memes in for all the "anti-authoritarians" out there

What kind of Marxism? Marx's Marxism, or that body of theory by his followers that even Marx denounced, i.e. ML, MLM, etc.

Anarchist's analysis of power has been spot-on ever since Bakunin predicted the bureaucratic dictatorship that Russia became under the Bolsheviki.

Prunebutt , 20 days ago (edited 20 days ago) to Memes in for all the "anti-authoritarians" out there

Sorry, but claiming that just shows that someone didn't engage at all with anarchist theory.

Edit - addendum: even if this wasn't true back then in Engel's days: Still quoting him today ignores all that anarchist theory on power that happened since then.

Prunebutt , 20 days ago to Memes in for all the "anti-authoritarians" out there

He mostly explained how he actually didn't really have a proper grasp of what authority actually means. He conflated them with a lot of things without actually making sense. I'm surprised why "On authority" is so widely known.

Prunebutt , 20 days ago to Memes in for all the "anti-authoritarians" out there

So, tell me: in what way is necessity, the laws of physics or self-defense the same thing as a monopolization of decision making power?

Prunebutt , 20 days ago to solarpunk memes in someone mentioned tattoo parties?

They started it when they refused to show me the genitals of that cute library monster! /j

Prunebutt , 20 days ago to Memes in for all the "anti-authoritarians" out there

Someone's scared, I see.

What a great theorist Engels must have been, given that you must find ridiculous excuses in order to avoid engaging critically with his work. /s

Prunebutt , 20 days ago to Memes in for all the "anti-authoritarians" out there

Anything else than ad-hominem attacks and wishful thinking? Like actually engaging with the actual critique, tankie?