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fine_sandy_bottom ,

I don't understand these articles. Everyone knows these guys are cunts. Don't buy their stuff.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

Perhaps, but if your FIL was buying a hammer, he workshop buy one that was a tenth the cost of the others but could only hit special nails that cost 10x the price of a normal nail.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

Note really surprising, it's their whole business model. It's not a secret either, when you try to buy their printer and it costs $20 but an ink cartridge costs $50, it should be pretty obvious how this works.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

I can't think of when I've actually used it.

I've seen comments about how 3, 4, 5 allows you to make a square corner with a tape measure, but I've never had an opportunity to use that trick.

I find myself trying to guess the area of things a lot more.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

Obligatory: companies should face harsh penalties for this stuff.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

That's not what happened.

Attackers queried n email addresses against trello, who responded with names and user names for accounts that existed.

No one asked trello to publish their names, so that's a breach.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

It's a breach.

Attackers queried email addresses and trello responded with names and user names.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

Not really, the vaaaast majority of PC users don't need the linux commandline.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

That's not how legal matters work.

Firstly, imposing on someone else's intellectual property is not "illegal", because that usually refers to crimes. This is a civil issue, as in the some company is demanding the dev stops or else they'll sue him or something.

Secondly, it doesn't really matter whether the dev is "right" or could prevail against a legal claim - because you just wouldn't bother trying. Imagine you have an ok job, take care of your family, and made this plugin on a whim just because you can. Your days are full of taking your kids to the park, spending time with your wife, playing around with your hobbies, that stuff. Maybe you're not wealthy, but your salary is enough to look after your family and make your mortgage repayments. Then Haier threatens to sue you, and although you could likely prevail mounting a defense would probably cost you a years worth of mortgage repayments. Maybe you could represent yourself but that might take a years worth of saturdays writing and responding to legal stuff that you don't really know much about. Bear in mind that there's no financial support from the open source community.

It just doesn't really matter whether Haier has a legit claim.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

I really wonder whether this is the right move.

This girl, and many others, are victims and I don't want to diminish that, but I for better or worse I just don't see how legislation can resolve this.

Surely deepfakes will be just different enough to the subject to create reasonable doubt that it depicts the subject.

I wonder whether, as deep fakes become commonplace, people might be more willing to just ignore it like any other form of trolling.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

I'm not sure this is practically possible.

A $1m penalty is more or less instant bankruptcy for 99% of the population. It's probably not much of a deterrent for, say an 18 year old. In my jurisdiction I don't think there are criminal penalties higher than a few thousand dollaridoos. It doesn't matter whether you think this act is so aggregious that it deserves a penalty 1000 time higher than any other, my point is that it would be unenforceable ineffective.

Secondly, how do you determine whether an image is someone's likeness? Create any random image and surely it will look like someone, but that doesn't mean that creating that image violates that someone.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

WDYM "step out of your bubble"?

It's not a question of being able to detect whether or not a video is fake. When deepfakes become so prevalent that everyone's grandma understands that they're prevalent, it won't matter whether you can identify the video as fake.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

My point is, when it becomes as easy to generate deepfakes as it is to order your groceries, the question will become "why is the university searching for deepfakes of everyone"

fine_sandy_bottom ,

Trolling / bullying is just semantics, which I don't think will help us very much.

I think the heightened risk of other crimes is... dubious. Is that conjecture?

Your position seems to be framed in the reality of several years ago, where if you saw a compromising video of someone it was likely real, while in 2024 the opposite is true.

Were headed towards a reality where someone can say "assistant, show me a deepfake of a fictitious person who looks a bit like that waitress at the Cafe getting double teamed by two black guys". I don't claim to know all the ethical considerations, but I do think that changing social norms are part of the picture.

I don't have any authority to assert when anyone else should feel victimised. All I know is that in my own personal case, a few years ago I would've felt absolutely humiliated if someone saw a compromising video of me, but with the advent of deep fakes I just wouldn't care very much. If someone claimed to have seen it I would ask them why they were watching it, and why in the world they would want to tell me about their proclivities.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

This will shock you but... most search engines derive results either directly from google results or from a few other providers which generate results in very similar ways.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

Yeah ok maybe it's all garbage now but they're making more money than ever.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

Weird take.

You could same the same of any incumbent who's been an industry leader for a couple of decades... "they're ripe to be supplanted!".

Google has done a pretty great job of diversifying and building out an ecosystem though. As in, if you invented superior search today google would barely notice because everyone still uses chrome and android and is funnelled into google search. Google would have years to emulate that superior search before their user base was significantly impacted.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

I'm not a fan of google at all, but that doesn't mean I can't acknowledge that they're not about to topple over.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

Yes but my point is, all the search engines out there are equally shit.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

While I find this as infuriating as the rest of you, we all know that people just don't care.

Google has cleverly shifted the definition of privacy to mean allowing cuddly Google to look after all your stuff and protect it from anyone else.

Someone will be along any moment to tell me all about reasonable ads telling them about important things they didn't know they wanted to buy.

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