zea_64

zea_64 , 3 months ago to 196 in temperatrule timeline

Even if it was a natural change, it's still really bad for humanity and requires immediate mitigation.

zea_64 , 3 months ago to 196 in ur(ul)equited friendship 💔

Agreed except the "mid 20s" thing, I wouldn't have survived that long.

zea_64 , 3 months ago to 196 in Please, for the love of God, VOTE!

I think these parties would sooner abandon no-voters who want change rather than actually change.

zea_64 , 3 months ago to 196 in rule

I want good outcomes, not the feeling of personal moral purity. Outcomes are inherently uncertain. You can say "murder bad, no uncertainty", but that still leaves the outcome, the part I care about, uncertain.

If I wanted moral certainty above all else, I could just say everything's moral.

zea_64 , 3 months ago to 196 in rule

Agree we should work outside the system, disagree that we should not use our vote strategically.

zea_64 , 3 months ago to 196 in rule

This is useful though. Pretending there's no uncertainty is just kidding yourself.

zea_64 , 3 months ago to 196 in rule

If you can convince me voting for Trump will give greater expected value then I'll do it, but such absurd possibilities like you said usually come with an exact inverse that cancels out its expected value.

Should I let that butterfly flap its wings? What if it causes a tornado somewhere?! Or, what if it not flapping causes a tornado somewhere?! Both are equally plausible, so there's no point in choosing my actions based on them.

zea_64 , 3 months ago to 196 in rule

There's always uncertainty, yes. I suppose other moral systems claim they're infallible but those people are just kidding themselves.

zea_64 , 3 months ago to 196 in rule

I account for that, obviously. Expected value is a good approximation.

zea_64 , 3 months ago to 196 in rule

Between genocider and genocider-but-worse, I'm not gonna stand by and let genocider-but-worse win power.

zea_64 , 3 months ago to 196 in rule

The parties don't really care if you don't vote, so not voting doesn't apply pressure to them to change.

zea_64 , 3 months ago to 196 in rule

It's not implying they support fascism, it's implying they're letting fascism happen faster, because they are.

zea_64 , 3 months ago to 196 in rule

As if Trump wouldn't exterminate them harder. With just the choice between these 2 candidates, I vote for the lesser genocider and then apply as much pressure as possible to lower that genocidey-ness even more. Short of a revolution, it's the best we can do.

zea_64 , 3 months ago to 196 in rule

I'm doing the moral calculations. Fuck Biden, but fuck Trump more. If I vote for Biden, millions suffer. If I vote for Trump (or waste my vote so he wins), even more suffer. Doesn't take too much evaluating to pick being slapped in the face vs bring punched in the face.

I absolutely support the undecided campaign in the primaries to put pressure on Biden, but putting pressure on him and the DNC by letting Trump be in charge for another 4 years is a terrible idea. Even without Trump in office the GOP is quickly eroding even the semblance of democracy we've had for a while, but with 4 years of Trump accelerating that I think this would be the last time my vote even slightly matters. Then I'd also need to evacuate from the country because I'm trans and don't want them ruining my life. I'm voting for Biden in the general to avoid that, and then afterwards I guess I have to figure out what I can even do about the still-evolving bad situation that I helped successfully slow.

If reducing suffering and not letting an impossible perfect be the enemy of the better is amoral, I don't understand your definition of moral. I'm a utilitarian if you couldn't tell.

zea_64 , 3 months ago to 196 in See a lot of these relatable doomer posts are copy pasted (whole rules and and formatting) so it gets a little depressing

Our challenges are unique among all generations, but the fact that we have challenges is not. Your quality of life is up in the air unfortunately, but the world will turn on as it always has. The world is not ending.