Israel Gaza war: ICC prosecutor seeks arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Hamas leaders

Ibaudia , 13 days ago

NOOOO YOU CAN'T HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE FOR TENS OF THOUSANDS OF CIVILIAN CASUALTIES

-Genocidal war criminal

Also crazy to think that hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians have died as a result of post-9/11 US wars and yet no one in the states is held to this standard.

Jaysyn , 13 days ago

Good. The leaders on both sides need to end the days in a cell in the Hague.

ShimmeringKoi , 13 days ago

They just absolutely had to both-sides a genocide, eh?

BrikoX OP Mod , 13 days ago (edited 13 days ago)

There are no two sides here. It's the same side of two different coins. Netanyahu is a war criminal for genocide, and Hamas leaders are responsible for civilian deaths from their terror attack.

NoneOfUrBusiness , 13 days ago

I mean is there anything proving Hamas leaders intentionally planned any civilian deaths? They're definitely not doing enough to stop them, but I don't think I've seen anything specifically incriminating their top brass.

BrikoX OP Mod , 13 days ago (edited 13 days ago)

They are money holders, and it was a well financed and coordinated attack. And they are in direct control even now as they try to negotiate ceasefire and hostage release.

NoneOfUrBusiness , 13 days ago

and it was a well financed and coordinated attack.

True enough, but there's only so much you can do once the soldiers are actual fighting if you're not on the field (especially when you don't particularly care either way). That said, I haven't seen anything since this "war" started that would serve as evidence to implicate, say, Sinwar in an international court of law. If he says "our plans didn't involve attacking civilians our soldiers didn't it out of their own accord" nobody can prove him wrong. Now I do think that's actually what happened (from a strategic perspective Hamas has too much to lose and too little to gain by killing civilians during a military attack), but even if that's not the case there's simply too little evidence to prove it.

BrikoX OP Mod , 13 days ago

Arrest warrant is not a sentence. If he's brought to the court, he will have a chance to prove the lack of evidence. But even by proxy, leaders are responsible for the actions of their subordinates. Same way we attribute authorization given by leaders sitting in their "war rooms" to launch drone attacks or giving "go" to tactical teams to them and not individual actors.

NoneOfUrBusiness , 13 days ago

But even by proxy, leaders are responsible for the actions of their subordinates.

Up to a point. If he says "I never gave that order" I don't think anyone can prove otherwise, is what I'm trying to say.

BrikoX OP Mod , 13 days ago

Indirect evidence have the same weight as direct evidence in a court setting. But yes, if it turns out there is no evidence, then the case should be dismissed.

ShimmeringKoi , 13 days ago

"Their terror attack" lol. My man, if the term terror attack was around in the 1940s, Hitler would have used it to describe the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. And make no mistake- this is a ghetto uprising. If you don't want people to make a violent bid for freedom, don't spend decades torturing and murdering them in an open air concentration camp with no recourse. Simple.

Terrorist is buzzword that fascist states apply to people who stand up for themselves, who return even a fraction of the violence they are made to suffer every day. "Terrorist" is just "savage" with a fresh coat of paint. Every slave revolt and anti-colonial uprising in history has been tarred with the same brush.

There is no Hamas without Isreal.

BrikoX OP Mod , 13 days ago

If you don't want people to make a violent bid for freedom, don't spend decades torturing and murdering them in an open air concentration camp with no recourse. Simple.

I'm with you here. The violence is of Israel's own making, but no matter how "just" one believes their actions are, they are still against international humanitarian law. I apply the same standard to everyone, be it Hamas, Israel, Poland, Germany, Russia, Ukraine, China, United States, etc.

If you are willing to spill civilian blood, you also should be willing to take responsibility for those actions.

FaceDeer , 13 days ago

It is entirely possible for both sides of a conflict to be committing war crimes.