Does anyone know when can we expect to communicate with whatsapp or facebook messenger users on element?

Qkall , 16 days ago

I swear I feel like a shill...

Check out beeper.

DavidGarcia , 16 days ago

http://github.com/matrix-org/dma-demo-app-bridge-whatsapp

This is one thing I've found on their github so far, but it seems inactive.

There is a fork that element seem to have forked back:

http://github.com/element-hq/mautrix-whatsapp

from

http://github.com/mautrix/whatsapp

testman , 16 days ago

As far as I know, the Signal protocol was chosen to be the intermediary layer between the existing platforms.
Matrix protocol was a candidate, but was not chosen.

Still, if you wish to use a bridge between Matrix and some other platform, then you can either set one up yourself or try to find a Matrix server that already has such bridge set up.
https://matrix.org/ecosystem/bridges/

BarHocker , 16 days ago

Do you have any articles or publications about that decision being made?

testman , 16 days ago

https://www.pcmag.com/news/meta-adds-interoperability-with-signals-tech-for-whatsapp-messenger-in
https://techcrunch.com/2024/03/06/to-comply-with-dma-whatsapp-and-messenger-will-become-interoperable-via-signal/
I am still interested to know the details of how they came to this decision. Why Signal instead of Matrix.

azdle , 15 days ago

I am still interested to know the details of how they came to this decision. Why Signal instead of Matrix.

AFAIK, signal doesn't federate, There is no "signal server-to-server" protocol. When people say "The Signal Protocol", they are talking about a cryptographic protocol, not a network protocol.

As for why they wouldn't use Matrix, I would assume it's just too heavy of a protocol for the scale they operate at. IIRC, Matrix isn't just a chat protocol. It's a multi-peer cryptographic state synchronization protocol. Chat is (was?) just the first "easy" application they were going to apply it to. (Now I'm curious if they still have plans for that at some point.) They've been making great strides in improving the efficiency, at least in the client-server API (I haven't been paying attention to the server-server API at all), but it's still going to be a heck of a lot more compute heavy than whatever custom API they're providing.

DavidGarcia , 16 days ago

why would we be able to? are the any plans to open them up?

hostops OP , 16 days ago

element.io/blog/the-eu-digital-markets-act-is-here/

DavidGarcia , 16 days ago

interesting thanks, that's cool to hear. Sad that there's no effort to move to a standard protocol, but understandable.