beta OP , 2 months ago

@technology For those that don't want to read here's a TL;DR:

Apple's business model is to charge high fees to those in their platforms, and to restrict the openness so that they can't argue about it.

They reduce the ability for alternatives that could help other platforms through it's review processe.

Moons ago they got the DOJ to chase Microsoft, but they have become the very thing you swore to destroy (Anakin!)

Apple uses the excuse of privacy and security to justify it's actions.

BearOfaTime , 2 months ago

Security and privacy are especially laughable since iMessage encryption lacks forward secrecy (all your messages throughout time are encrypted with the same keys), and just today we find the encryption hardware on Macs is fatally flawed and can be hacked by a user-mode process (no admin/root privelege required). Oh, and it's un-patchable because it's in the hardware itself.

beta OP , 2 months ago

@BearOfaTime Wow! I always though Apple was awful for privacy (close source and what not), but I though they at least had pretty good security.

JohnWorks , 2 months ago

The new encryption standard apple is using for iMessage achieves forward secrecy.

https://security.apple.com/blog/imessage-pq3/

"The first ratchet, called the symmetric ratchet, protects older messages in a conversation to achieve forward secrecy."

KairuByte , 2 months ago

Eeeeehhhhhh… you can’t really fault a company for a previously unknown hardware defect going against their stated principles. That’s like faulting the devs of OpenSSH for their principle of security because CVE-2023-38408 existed for years.

Hate on Apple for legitimate things, of which there are many.

some_guy , 2 months ago

The case is weak because DOJ fails to understand which things to hit them on (App Store). If they wanted to do this right they'd petition experts in the space (Apple pundits and journalists) in what ways Apple abuses people and its size, but instead, they build a shitty case that won't get them on anything useful.

beta OP , 2 months ago

@technology Oh, for sure, they mention the App Store fees and extensive review process, but in my opinion involving the price of the iPhone and past history of Apple is strange (and seems to make the case weaker).