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CableMonster ,

Are we still pretending the measures they took actually worked? I mean really guys, if you think that we needed more intervention to stop the covid then I dont really know what to tell you.

CableMonster ,

No, it didnt work at all. We literally knew lockdowns didnt work in spring of 2020, it was all a steaming pile of bullshit including flattening the curve.

CableMonster ,

Apples and oranges. There was a study in spring of 2020 by JP morgan chase that showed the exact thing that anyone that was looking at the data would see, the lockdowns did absolutely nothing. Literally nothing.

CableMonster ,

You are comparing apples to oranges, why not compare america to america to see what worked instead?

CableMonster ,

Gotcha, we are just going to do science denial now.

CableMonster ,

Sounds good, but they compared america to america and found zero benefit to the lockdowns. Literally we knew this in spring of 2020.

CableMonster ,

I love how you start with "hey dumfuck" and expect me to actually read the rest. @fosho I hope the hilarity of spelling it dumb as "dum" is not lost on you.

CableMonster ,

Because we have rights and if mini-lockdowns dont work, I dont think crazy lockdowns would be justified. Why should I a healthy person not be able to do anything because other people might get sick? Why dont they stay in their house and let the other 90% of the population keep working?

CableMonster ,

Oh yeah, referencing a study and actual data from the CDC is science denial when it disagrees with what you want...

CableMonster ,

So then you agree with me that the lockdowns didnt work? That is really all I am trying to say here, the issue is that people still believe the lockdowns actually worked, and all of the evidence shows literally the exact opposite.

CableMonster ,

How does that relate to this discussion?

CableMonster ,

This is how the government and government supported large corporations work. I dont even know how you think this is related to capitalism.

CableMonster ,

America is the least capitalist is has been probably in its history. Just because it was founded on something that was quite capitalistic doesnt mean it still is.

Why not push for less regulations so that small business can thrive?

CableMonster ,

And you keep encompassing more things in capitalism than belong. Why not push for less regulations so that small business can thrive?

CableMonster ,

I dont like monopolies either, but what monopolies are causing you the most harm? Mine would be the governemnt monopoly.

I think you have fundamental mistake in that you seem to believe that the economy is a zero sum game but its just not how it works. The only zero sum game that I am worried about is the control of our rights with the governmnet.

What specifically is it that you want peoples lives to look like?

CableMonster ,

How can I opt out of the government if its not a monopoly? Its literally the only true monopoly and its on our rights and force.

When you talk about all the money doesnt just go to the rich, there is more wealth created and you have the option to accumulate wealth or trade it to others.

Do you understand how what you are advocating for will just make everyone poorer? When you say "Nu-uh", answer this question, for the people that work a lot of hours and work hard, what is the reason to continue to go above and beyond when our labor is being taken and given to others?

CableMonster ,

No one believes in trickle down economics nor did they ever, it was literally propaganda term. Please explain to me why I would have worked so many hours or so hard if I didnt get the benefit of my labor? Simple question that you will not be able to answer because its why your ideal system never ever ever works.

CableMonster ,

Like I said, no one believes in trickle down economics... and that is not what capitalism is. China isnt communism. Please explain to me why I would have worked so many hours or so hard if I didnt get the benefit of my labor?

CableMonster ,

Thank you for the kind word!

CableMonster ,

China is not, its controlled by a centralized party but it lets people do their own thing. I noticed you didnt mention Cuba as a great example of communism, "Because sanctions they cant get ahead!!!!" You should check out the vox video on how well their system works.

Please explain to me how cooperative ownership means not getting the benefit of your labor.

Because the harder I work it doesnt directly benefit me, it benefits all the owners. So I would not be incentivized to work harder or longer because I dont get the direct benefit.

CableMonster ,

China is not communist... You literally dont undestand what any of these systems are. All you do is insult and say nothing.

How does owning my own business not benefit me? I am one of those rich people you are jealous of.

CableMonster ,

China is communist, you can keep repeating the idea they are, but you are wrong.

I retired in my 30s using only my labor and no one elses. How does owning my own business not benefit me?

CableMonster ,

You can not beleive me, but retiring in your 30s is not impossible if you work really hard. Did you notice how you dont answer any of my questions?

CableMonster ,

Please quote what your answer was because I have not seen anything that relates to an answer.

CableMonster ,

How does owning my own business not benefit me?

CableMonster ,

You still didnt answer the question. I had no employees, I just worked a lot and am smart so I was able to get people what they wanted. Who was harmed and how was this bad for me?

CableMonster ,

Owning your own business doesn’t benefit you. Just how dumb are you exactly?

CableMonster ,

Okay then we are back to why would someone like me who is a hard worker be willing to work hard if I dont get the benefit of my labor?

CableMonster ,

Gotcha more insults and now actual answers, I am done here. I know you will read this whole comment because this is your lifeline to humanity. You need to stop doing this, you are so lonely that your only attachment to other people is the internet. You are going to end up old, fat, and lonely. You have some good takes on other things so you are not dumb, but you are living in imaginary computer land where there is no reality. I recommend you get out of the house and actual make some friends and dump this depressing lifestyle you have that will put you in the grave. You can respond but I promise you I will not read it so you wont do another pointless rage responce. Have a great night!

CableMonster ,

I understand what you are saying but there are two important factors that change the whole story. The first one is simple, the government does everything abysmally. Its just a nature of how these things work, so everything would be less effcient.

The second thing is under a socialistic structure the amount of overall wealth will be reduced. I had two jobs, I worked for Megacorp as an engineer, and I renovated houses. I personally used to work 70-80 hours per week, if I didnt get the direct benefit from the 30-40 extra hours I worked, I would not have done it. Also when I was doing self employed work I worked very hard and was very efficient with my time. In Megacorp I did exactly what I was told and no more, I would literally only have negative things happen if I did more.

All this to say that sure the worker could get more money, but the whole society would be poorer so it is a bad exchange.

CableMonster ,

Regulation have nothing to do with monopolies, typically. Most regulations just make it harder for small business to do things so it benefits the big businesses.

CableMonster ,

Sorry what I said was confusing. I worked the corporate job for 40 hours, then worked 30-40 hours on my own thing.

Negative things - people would complain and I would get no benefit to working hard, just like

The whole society is poorer because people like me would work half the hours at half the effort.

If you guys can do businesses in a way where everything is censual, then good on you, please do that. The issue you will find in partnerships is that people word at different levels and differently, and the direct benefit is just not there the more the partnership is diluted.

CableMonster ,

More regulation is more paperwork more expenses and more permissions/licenses, it definitely harms small business much much more. I can tell you this as a small business owner whos biggest issue is dealing with government regulations.

CableMonster ,

By saying what you said, you have no idea what the regulations that small businesses are facing. If you dont know about a thing, just ask so you can learn and not spout off about how doing extra stuff protects me.

CableMonster ,

Sorry man but you have a fundemental lack of knowledge here. I am not sure what you gleaned this from, or who told you this, but this is just factually incorrect.

CableMonster ,

I literally never listen to trump, I hear the stories and then find out the truth. If you dove deep on any of the things I am talking about, the facts back up what I am saying (or I wouldnt be saying it).

CableMonster ,

Thats mean I hit a chord.

CableMonster ,

Excellent, glad I could help!

CableMonster ,

You mentioned four different things, let me address the one I know the most about and is the most obvious. You can claim that your house or property is worth as much as you want, how the process works is that you ask for what you want and claim whatever you want, and then the bank does their underwriting and comes to their own determination of value and how much they want to lend. He did nothing wrong t hat I am aware of.

CableMonster ,

I never said I like trump or all the things he did, but I do think its obvious he was/is better. Most presidents make lots of promises they intentioanlly or unintentionally dont follow through with. I can see you disagree with many of his policies, that is completely fair. But lets discuss what was wrong with Biden.

Without looking at policies I dont like here are the things off the top of my head that are/were objective failures. Afghanistan withdrawl was one of the worst failures n american history; people were hoarding baby food due to handling of that issue, the illegal migration issue that is currently happening that were directly due to his repealing of trump rules, insane spending that exasperates the inflation issue. This doesnt even get into the foolish policies that we could argue about, but are failures.

CableMonster ,

I will take this last word to say thank you for being a unique individual even if we dont agree. It was imporant to me, thank you!

CableMonster ,

So if you list your house for more than its worth on zillow is that fraud? Who is harmed by claiming you house is worht 600% more (which he didnt actually do but is perfectly fine)?

CableMonster ,

Are you aware that mortgage companies do their own due diligence to determine the value of the property? Do you know what the underwriting process is?

CableMonster ,

So then its fraud to claim or believe that your property is worth more than it is?

I am just explaining how the process works. Its like if I am selling a car and claim its worth $20k, its up to the buyer to agree or disagree, its not fraud for me to claim its worth $20k and the kbb value is $10k.

CableMonster ,

So the one things you claim he lied about was the size of the apartment, which is misleading because of how you calculate square footage. The value is in the property not the building. But again, the bank verifies what you are saying, they will literally send someone there to look at everything, its part of the underwriting. Can you show me where they bank said they were defrauded?

CableMonster ,

Sigh, I am talking about the inclusion of "finished" vs "unfinished" space. But that doesnt even matter the important part of my comment is that that value is in the land, and they will verify all of the information they care about. Can you show me where they bank said they were defrauded?

CableMonster ,

I am aware that a judge wrote a thing, who I know is poltically motivated. The supreme court voted 9-0 against what the court did in colorado, so just because a thing was done, doesnt mean its just.

Who was defrauded and how?

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    CableMonster ,

    I agree in that the government causes problems that they solve,or at least try to solve and just make a differnt problem. I guess i have never seen a government that truly solves problems, but you could be right.

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