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FfaerieOxide

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I've been called "a giant faggot" but I'm medium at most. ♥️

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The death penalty is always wrong.
Murder is not a punishment and once you've stripped her of her ill-got gains there is no longer any reason to kill her.

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While I agree in principle I tend to think there are still unforgivable crimes and irredeemable people out there.

Then you don't agree.

I wasn't aware crime was about forgiveness.
I thought in-so-far as societies implemented systems of justice, their purpose was restitution and rehabilitiation.

No one gains anything from a person—irrespective their prior actions—being murdered and we all lose a bit of our soul each time a state execution is allowed to take place.

I really expected better from Vietnam, whose "quarantine at gunpoint" public health policies I heartily endorse.

FfaerieOxide ,
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I gain more confidence that the world is now a better place.

Oh word? Did the horrific thing they did no longer happen?

FfaerieOxide ,
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The way these people affect so many lives negatively with their fraud is much worse than a person committing murder.

Irrespective how is two bad things better than one bad thing? I would think fewer bad things would be net better.

The literal misery they cause to so many people for their own benefit without a fucking iota of shame and their sociopathic behavior is enough to consider eliminating them from society.

You speak of "sociopathic behavior" while advocating state murder. 🤨

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Take the money, sure. Then they're no longer billionaires and there's no need to kill them.

FfaerieOxide ,
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Each one of those assaults is a potentially life-altering trauma induced in a child.

Don't tell me what being abused as a child does to someone, thanks.

Does killing the person who did it make the assault not have happened?

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Allow me some cognitive dissonance

Not if you use it to advocate state murder I won't.

killing them leads to the inevitability of innocent people dying.

Innocent people will always have the ability to die, no matter how many people your state murders.

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Well then. Murdering someone as ex-post "punishment" for past actions remains abhorrent, but holding a gun to her head until she gives the money back is cool and good.

There is a difference between threatening violence as a deterrent against currently engaged in harms a person has the ability to cease and claiming moral authority to end a person's life due to things they have no control over.

There's distinction between "Put down the box or we'll shoot you." and "Having touched the box in the past, you now need to die regardless."

Still don't fuck with "The death penalty" as a framework for the threat, however.

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Alright. I DON’T agree.

You should; death as a post-hoc punishment is abhorrent and serves no one.

FfaerieOxide ,
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I’m not even going to dignify this response.

That's a response.

Have a nice day

Thank you. It'll indeed be much nicer without you advocating state murder in it. 🙂

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Some people cannot be rehabilitated.

You can't know that. You only have evidence for people's inability to've been rehabilitated so far.

I’m just curious what you think the course of action should be at that point?

Not murder.

if they’re miserable, and the people around them are made miserable, and the people trying to help them are made miserable…what do you do?

...drugs?

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persons that will always endanger other people and that includes killing them.

You cannot know that, and if you have the ability to strap someone down and end their life, you have no need to do so since you clearly have complete control over their person.

I’m OK with the death penalty only in principle

You shouldn't be. States qua arbiters of justice should not intentionally kill people under their control.

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How many is too many?

A single state murder is too many. Full stop.

Add into that how you've just given child abusers incentive to murder their victims and scared children out of informing on a family member for which the death of whom they do not wish to be responsible.

But what kind of fucked up society can only stop anti-social behavior through murdering its perpetrators?

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I wish, one day I will be as cool as you.

Everybody does, I have faith in you. 😘

Step 1: Stop doing uncool things like advocating States murder people.

FfaerieOxide ,
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I still don’t agree.

I know, you're a terrible person.
We've established this.

FfaerieOxide ,
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There is no objective right or wrong here.

No, the state killing people is objectively wrong.

FfaerieOxide ,
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you don’t keep that control over billionaires.their money has too much loyalty.

Once you take the money they aren't billionaires anymore.

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the comments you’ve ever made on Lemmy

What's Lemmy?

arguing over inconsequential things

I don't think people getting murdered by the state is "inconsequential", least of all for the murdered person.

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and because of how much of a dick you’re being, you’ve definitely killed the opportunity to have a proper discussion with people about it

Oh no, I'm being a dick about states murdering people.

Maybe if I put on a frilly dress and sipped tea with folks they wouldn't have such horrific opinions?

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“I WILL DECIDE WHAT IS RIGHT OR WRONG”

I don't decide. The state murdering people is wrong. I just have the moral wherewithal to recognize the fact.

Which isn't hard because it's objectively true.

Hope this helps.

FfaerieOxide ,
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some people have differing opinions

I'm well aware that people can be wrong, my dude.

States still should not murder people, regardless how many people are wrong about it.

FfaerieOxide ,
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Steven-Chowder-at-a-card-table over here.

I'm not gonna "debate me!" somebody who think murder is cool and good; it isn't.

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It's easier to put bullets in things than to do alot of things, what's your point?

It's easier to shoot someone than to change your sheets but it doesn't make your bed smell less of piss.

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These billionaires often have deep connections to people who could easily help them regain their wealth and power.

So take their money too.

FfaerieOxide ,
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I’m against the death penalty but

Shut the fuck up. If there's a "but" ever then no the fuck you are not.

They won’t repeat the horrific thing they did while dead

Did the original horrific thing not happen? Does murder ameliorate past suffering in any way?

Vengeance is not justice, it is sick.

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There’s very little that can be done to reform these people.

Nothing you have tried so far.

How the fuck are we supposed to get the message across when those people have their own militia protecting them and their interests?

Have you ever considered "Progaganda Of The Deed" to encompass modeling being better people than the opposition?

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it takes seconds, other way takes years,

And you end up with dirty sheets. No matter how fast it is it doesn't address your problem.

Don't call people "it" my dude.
Irrespective how monstrous a person acts they're still a human and you can't distance yourself and your capacity to engage in the same monsterousness they did by dehumanizing them.

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and being wealthy diminishes just about all of those reasons.scientifically, there are studies that prove it. the wealthy are less intelligent less logic less compassionate less connected to the world.

So take their money.

they dehumanize, in the terms that matter to me, themselves.

You dehumanize yourself when you dehumanize others.

I’m in favor of actually fixing the problem. that means a guillotine.

How did that work out for Robespierre?

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"DEBBBBAAAATE MEEEEEEE!"

FfaerieOxide ,
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money isn’t money though.

Pretty sure money is money, and you can take it.

in what ways?

It makes you the type of person who can dismiss the humanity of other humans as "other" and we know what kind of atrocities that leads to.

half as many people arguing half as much for the dignity and humanity of the unhoused and laboring classes

What about universal human dignity applying universally takes away the right of dignity from the unhoused?

Human dignity isn't a zero-sum game. That's billionaire thinking.

Take billionaires' assets, not their lives (post-fact).

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You good, mate? Do you need a friend or someone to talk to?

FfaerieOxide ,
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based on what?

Being Human

at what point(s) does it start applying?

First breath; fetuses aren't people

at what point(s) does it stop?

It doesn't.

what about a hypothetical uploaded mind?

Getting a bit off topic your advocacy of murdering people after their wealth has been seized

in an ideal world, maybe we should.

Why the hell advocate violence if not to effect ideals?

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being human
which is what?

A supernatural comedy drama on BBC3

why?

What are you, a toddler? You asked for a cutoff and I gave you one. If you didn't want an answer, don't ask.

okay so when I die where does that dignity go? my writings? my body, my soul?
because your version of this idea sounds anawful lot like a soul.

What's your point? I never mentioned "a soul" as it relates to human dignity but if even you seem to be using it as equivalent to or allegory for writings so what if it does sound like that?

Like you seem to be trying to sculpt my position to some preconceived notion you have of organized faith so you can then attack that when I have never mentioned religion.

I just said you shouldn't murder people once you've already seized "their" assets.

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see I don’t respect the BBC.

You shouldn't.

what makes that cutoff meaningful?

Fetuses don't have rights.

I’m also saying you can’t sieze all their assets. money isn’t just money, and its not the only thing that’s money.

What the heck are you talking about? Find the things which can be exchanged for goods and services and that those things away. Cart off shiny rocks. 0 out electronic ledgers

Billionaire handshakes are meaningless. If you've seized all the food and means of production what does it matter if gardeners try to play Parker Bros. with one another?

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How the hell are you supposed to play the game and “be better” than the opposition, when the opposition is taking advantage of you?

You do that by not murdering them after you have taken power and over the means of production.

Having all the world’s fortune in the hands of about 10 people. We can’t stop this by playing nice and asking nicely.

Alright so you've seized all the money in the world and taken over all the land and machinery that enables production through the application of labor via militant witholding of the same. You and your comrades have all the guns.

...why at that point do you need to use those guns to murder people who are no longer holding murderous control over those common resources?

I refuse to acquiesce to or defend a system of belief that requires people die.

Once you win, you don't kill or you never had moral authority to employ violence in pursuit of winning in the first place.

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Being trans myself, I will gladly tell you no one can change their biological sex yet

This is wrong.

"Sex" is determined by myriad inter-related physical and chemical factors which are absolutely capable of changing.

The view you are adding whatever credence being trans gives you to the discussion not only is incorrect it is adopted and propagated to back-justify oppression.

Do not do that.

A woman who was assigned female at birth and later lost her uterus to cancer wouldn't stop being referred to as "female, late 40s" when her chart is being filled out by EMTs. The distinction you are attempting to hold up is meaningless to how "sex" gets used socially and epidemiologically.

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It is not "pointless nitpicking". It is very important holding fast against allowing very determined forces of hate any foothold whatever.

I argue 3 things:

  1. Irrespective the truth value of your claim you should not forward that position as there are forces of oppression who will latch onto any conceit of inherent differences between cis and trans people and claim that is the oh-so-important difference around which they claim the need to organize the oppression they are rabidly looking for excuses for
  2. Your claim is not true under the commonly understood nor scientific consensus of what "sex" is
  3. Even under your claim—which I consider simplistic and reductive—that sex is mere reproductive capability via sperm or eggs your assertion remains false

although it can be lost

No one "in casual conversation" considers someone "sexless" when they lose their gonads to cancer, nor do you know the "sex" of anyone to whose sex you have referred in going on high-90s percent of cases by your ridiculously narrow definition—I can't imagine in those cases where you find yourself considering using either term you jam the person with a needle or jerk them off into a cup and bust out a microscope to check motility.

Finally I'm not sure what you hope to gain by your pedantry—they're never gonna let you into the car.

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Here's a wiki which may help your search.

Here is a further resource.

Here's another you can search through as well.

Here's an archive which probably won't help your search, but while I'm linking things you should totally check out regardless

FfaerieOxide ,
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Here's another source if you get through all of QZAP with no results (or just want another batch to look through).

FfaerieOxide ,
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That was supposed to be a reply to this post but kbin is being a little funky fresh at present.

FfaerieOxide ,
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when isn't kbin being funky

As I said, though, this funk is fresh.

Still the best way to interact with activitypub.

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When I was around 8, my dad made the comment that it would have been easier for a trans lesbian to find partners if they’d never transitioned.

Profferers of that view reveal they see women as fungible, else they'd comprehend lesbians want to date lesbians.

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I'm glad he's outraged.

Hopefully he's out of weapons to send them, too.

FfaerieOxide ,
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Passing the mirror or passing in the mirror?

FfaerieOxide ,
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people hate Facebook. Or Meta.

I agree; people rightly hate facebook and meta

I never said that people should use Threads to join the Fediverse. I said that people who already use Threads can be more easily convinced to join this place.

How will you convince them if they can get everything the fediverse offers without leaving Threads?

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that's not how the perception of the masses works, though.

How can allowing access to everything on something people start out viewing as the defualt make it seem like less of the default?

Only by things existing outside of threads can people realize it it not.

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No they aren't.

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The Fediverse is the Fediverse by not being Meta. You are arguing for destroying the Fediverse for everyone by waving Meta in.

Why do you keep putting my and others' @ in your messages? If that's a your instance thing it's weird.

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