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borari

@borari@sh.itjust.works

Cybersecurity professional with an interest in networking, and beginning to delve into binary exploitation and reverse engineering.

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borari , to solarpunk memes in how can something be so courageous and yet so true
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Macs are not really locked down fyi. I can sudo to root and do literally anything I can do on Linux. iPhones sure, but not Macbooks.

borari , to solarpunk memes in how can something be so courageous and yet so true
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It’s not, no. Even the new Apple Silicon chips would just required you to install an ARM build of whatever distro you want.

borari , to Privacy in EU moving towards total monetary surveillance and banning all anonymous payments
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that’s exactly what i’d expect a dark empath to say. sheathe your knife unless you want to get saddled with karmic debt bro. you’re limited to paying off karmic debt in transactions of no more than 3k eurohms each, and with this dark energy you’d be in karmic debt into the millions.

borari , to Memes in It's the same fake argument every time they try to take away your rights
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So which is it?

Is the US unable to hold Tiktok accountable or is it/should it be allowed to dictate the ownership of Tiktok?

I was wrong, TikTok has a US subsidiary, so accountability can been enforced. I was under the mistaken impression they didn’t, so operating on the assumption that any accountability action would be functionally unenforceable.

borari , to Memes in It's the same fake argument every time they try to take away your rights
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The US could, if there was the political will, hold Facebook accountable for this because Meta is an American company. The US would not be able to hold a non-American company accountable in the same way. I do not see a conflict between wanting Meta held accountable for allowing things like Cambridge Analytica to occur and not minding the US taking proactive action on TikTok.

borari , to Memes in It's the same fake argument every time they try to take away your rights
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Agreed on the Republican party bit.

If Facebook could be considered a nefarious conspiracy (or at least subservient to the powers engaging in said conspiracy), why is it unbelievable that TikTok could also be?

borari , to Memes in It's the same fake argument every time they try to take away your rights
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It is not about preventing foreign or private influence that his harmful to the citizens. It is about controling that influence.

No, it is about preventing foreign influence on citizens. The fact that some level of control (or more accurately accountability) can be exerted by the US government on companies like Meta is true but unrelated. If ByteDance was a company in the EU we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

borari , (edited ) to Memes in It's the same fake argument every time they try to take away your rights
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Preventing an oppressive government from exerting undue influence on another sovereign nation’s citizenry is an oppressive act itself?

borari , to Memes in It's the same fake argument every time they try to take away your rights
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Nope that’s not what i’m saying, try again.

borari , to Memes in It's the same fake argument every time they try to take away your rights
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If having a nuanced and often extremely critical opinion is being a subservient puppy, woofwoof I guess?

borari , to Memes in It's the same fake argument every time they try to take away your rights
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Imagine the uproar if China demanded that Google stopped being a US military contractor.

China is actively demanding that all Chinese companies excise American hardware and software from their technology stacks. They know that they can’t divorce a US tech company headquartered in the US from the US intelligence agencies, so it is the next best option. This is colloquially known in China as “Delete A” or “Delete America”. Who is being xenophobic again?

borari , to Memes in It's the same fake argument every time they try to take away your rights
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or installing a great firewall to prevent US citizens from accessing their site.

Literally no one is suggesting this, but keep firing yourself up I guess.

Right. So if they sell ads on it, it's not a speech platform right? Reddit, not a speech platform? The Washington Post? The Guardian? Lemmy, when lemmy instances start running ads, Not a speech platform? Gmail? Not a speech platform?

It’s not a speech platform, at best it could be loosely defines as “press”. Even if I’m generous and concede that, pretty sure there’s Supreme Court precedent for allowing the government to block the publication and dissemination of foreign press. Also no, Gmail is not a speech platform in this context lol.

It's my ability to use the speech platform that gets banned in the process.

You need to stop picking the things in my comment you want to argue with and ignoring the rest. The First Amendment prevents the government from criminalizing or penalizing you, an American citizen, from engaging in protected speech. It does not prevent them from forcing a foreign company to divest or cease local US operations. Doing so does not infringe on your speech. Infringing on your speech would be something like criminalizing the act of downloading a tiktok apk and using the app after ByteDance was forced to shutter US operations.

You see the difference right? You’ll still be able to use TikTok after the (probably not happening) ban without any criminal or civil liability. If ByteDance says fuck it and geoblocks the US, you still haven’t been blocked from your speech by the US government, you’ve been blocked by ByteDance, and if you felt like suing them in China you could full send it if that was for you.

They can ban TikTok from being able to "do business" in the US, that is different from pulling it from the app store

Ban TikTok from earning any revenue in the US and they will pull the app themselves. Do you think TikTok is a charity or a non-profit or something?

And frankly, "doing business" has been an inherent part of speech platforms for decades, selling advertising on speech platforms is how they can exist, all the way back to the days of newspapers and radio.

Sure, press publications sell ads, no one said otherwise, not really sure what purpose stating the obvious serves. Ultimately, the US government is under no obligation to allow a foreign company to offer goods or services within its borders, regardless of whether it’s a “press” good or service.

To recap:

  1. Banning tiktok does not ban your speech specifically.
  2. As no entity protected by the Constitution is being censored, the government isn’t violating the Constitution.
  3. There is no 3, that’s it. Congress is free to swing the ban hammer.

Unless you think that the Constitution applies to everyone in the entire world, in which case I guess I’ll need to buy some stock in Northrop and Lockheed.

borari , to Memes in It's the same fake argument every time they try to take away your rights
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Jesus christ bro you’re insufferable.

They get to do whatever they want because they're a dicatorship. Saying the US government should be allowed to do something "because China does it" is a real slippery slope.

It’s a weird blend of trade war and cyber warfare, but for all intents and purposes it’s a trade war right now. No one was complaining that the US is blocking the sale of H100s in China are they? No.

We aren't talking about oil extraction or car sales here, we're talking about something which is explicitly a speech platform. They are different.

Except it’s not, it’s an ad platform.

It's not just a "company" being banned, it's the government telling you that you can't use that companies services for your speech.

Nope, absolutely incorrect, it is indeed just a company being banned. I don’t think you fully understand what “speech” is, or really who the Constitution applies to. You do realize that the First Amendment means that the government may not jail, fine, or impose civil liability on people or organizations based on what they say or write, right? You also realize that preventing a company from doing business in the US because they’re beholden to an openly antagonistic nation-state is decidedly not the same as banning a company from doing business in the US because of its speech right?

Freedom of speech and the press has literally nothing at all to do with this.

borari , to Memes in It's the same fake argument every time they try to take away your rights
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Except that’s not my point, but you already knew that didn’t you? It’s pretty obvious you’re not actually here for a conversation.

borari , to Memes in It's the same fake argument every time they try to take away your rights
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Who are they worried China is going to influence? Children, right? If it's adults, that's almost more insulting, they think we don't deserve to be able to see all sides of an argument and are too stupid to discern fact from fiction.

Yeah fam, you and me are definitely way too smart to ever be manipulated by military units whose sole job is to effectively manipulate large swaths of the population.

The answer is everyone. They’re worried about anyone and everyone, because they do it also.

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