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nutomic

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maegul , to Fediverse
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Nice demonstration of why mastodon's dominance is problematic

See the conversions here:
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/4628
and
https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/federating-the-content-of-posts-note-articles-and-character-limits/4087

AFAICT, mastodon's decisions, which are arguably problematic (on which see: https://lemmy.ml/post/14973403) are literally trickling down to other platforms and infecting how they federate with each other as they dance around mastodon's quirks in different ways.

It seems like masto is ruining "the standard" with its gravity.


@fediverse

nutomic ,
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None of that matters if Mastodon doesnt implement these suggestions or standards. And from past experience its extremely unlikely that they will. Thats why I think its best to ignore what Mastodon does, its not our concern how they decide to render things.

nutomic ,
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What is this "stance on mod features" that you are talking about?

nutomic ,
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I dont have time to read all that. The problem with Beehaw is that the admins are extremely entitled, as if we had some obligation to work for them for free. Similar to what is described in OP.

However we are consistently improving the mod tools, and accept contributions in that area. You can see in the dev updates.

nutomic ,
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Available Soon.

Dansup is well known for making grand announcements and delivering on them very late or never. I think it was more than two years ago that he announced federated groups for Pixelfed and still nothing. So I wouldn't get my hopes up yet.

nutomic ,
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Hold on the scammer could spend 8000 usd without even knowing the card's PIN number?

nutomic OP ,
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Im not good at frontend development, my goal was to create a very basic frontend which works to show off the project. Going forward I will definitely need help to improve the design or create an entirely new frontend in a different language.

Anyway the main thing about this project is the working federation, but without a basic frontend it would be very difficult to showcase.

nutomic OP ,
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Right ibis.wiki wasnt following open.ibis.wiki. I did that now, made an edit and it got federated as expected.

https://ibis.wiki/article/Lemmy@open.ibis.wiki/history

nutomic OP ,
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Nope

nutomic OP ,
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Sure if someone implements those things. I personally already invested a lot of time in the project and wont be able to do everything on my own.

nutomic OP ,
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Thats a good question. Obviously the first place to look for articles would be those hosted by your local instance. Then the instance admin could also maintain an article with links to relevant articles. And I suppose later there could be some software features for discovery, but I havent thought about that yet.

nutomic OP ,
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Adding such functionality in Lemmy would be very complicated because Lemmy itself is already quite a complicated project. So it would require test coverage, pass code review, have a stable API and so on. Its better to experiment with this in a new project so I can write some quick and dirty code to get the basic functionality working. If it proves successful it can be integrated with Lemmy later.

nutomic OP ,
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If an instance goes down, the articles are still stored on other federated instances.

nutomic OP ,
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Yes true.

nutomic OP ,
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Its definitely an experiment and I dont know how it will work in practice. But we have this technology, so I wanted to take advantage of it and let people give it a try. At worst Ibis wont be adopted, then I just wasted a few months of time. At best it could turn into a much better Wikipedia, so the upside potential is huge.

nutomic OP ,
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The readme has some basic description how the federation works. Viewing articles from other platforms should be easy to get working. Edits from other platforms would also be possible, but would require changes so that they can generate diffs and resolve conflicts. So not exactly easy.

nutomic OP ,
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That structure is extremely corrupted though. And Lemmy shows that volunteers can handle this kind of stuff. Though Ibis will definitely need a lot of mod tools.

nutomic OP ,
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I dont speak French and havent heard about that drama. But its about the problems pointed out in this article among others.

If Ibis gets popular it will get listed higher in search results. Same as Lemmy which is also slowly going up in results. Before that it will most likely spread through word of mouth.

nutomic OP ,
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I think thats better than having our single "truth" controlled by a corrupt organization from a different country, different language and different culture. With federation there can be independent wikis for my local country or city.

nutomic OP ,
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It uses Markdown because it has the best library support.

nutomic OP ,
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I was waiting for someone else to create a project like this. But it didnt happen so I had to write it myself when things became a bit calmer with Lemmy.

nutomic OP ,
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By allowing users to interact between different wiki instances. Just like you can interact with Lemmy instances from KBin.

nutomic OP ,
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Nowadays I can easily handle all Github notifications within less than an hour. After the Reddit blackout there were so many notifications that I couldnt even read all the issues, let alone respond. So I had to unsubscribe from issue notifications for some months.

nutomic OP ,
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Interesting, maybe it wanted to tell you about this project :D

nutomic OP ,
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Right but that's already over. And anyway Ibis was mostly finished since some weeks, just needed some minor work to push it over the finishing line.

nutomic OP ,
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Thank you!

nutomic OP ,
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Sounds good, please share the announcement in relevant places.

nutomic OP ,
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I mean the drama about it is over. We are constantly working to improve mod tools but it takes time.

nutomic OP ,
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That is true but most developers are still on Github, which hasn't been affected by enshittification yet. I also have to keep using Github because of Lemmy, so I don't want to switch back and forth between two separate platforms.

However once Gitea starts federation we definitely want to migrate Lemmy to a selfhosted instance, and probably Ibis too.

nutomic OP ,
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The frontend is very primitive right now, but it could definitely be made to work without JS.

nutomic OP ,
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Yes articles are duplicated in the same way posts are duplicated on Mastodon or Lemmy, so they wont go away. Moderation doesnt exist so far. There is a search field in the sidebar.

The link goes directly to Ibis where I posted the announcement.

nutomic OP ,
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Thank you :)

nutomic OP ,
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It can get a bit boring working on the same project for so many years. Having a different project gives me more motivation.

nutomic OP ,
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Maybe you can make some contributions to Ibis ;)

nutomic OP ,
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Thanks for the support. I think the era of single, centralized sources of information will soon be in the past.

  1. This would be a project on its own, with writing import scripts, hosting an instance etc. Certainly not something I have time for, just like I'm not running a Reddit mirror for Lemmy. If you or someone else wants to set it up, go ahead!
  2. How would you detect that it's the same article, only from having the identical title? That could fail in lots of ways.
  3. I agree about this.
nutomic ,
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A plugin framework sounds great. I would be happy to see a PR for this from Beehaw, Sublinks or anyone else.

nutomic ,
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Speaking or myself, it’s simply a matter of time. Even doing the fediverse stuff I’m already doing is stretching me beyond my limits.

It's exactly the same for us. There are hundreds of open issues for Lemmy and we can't work on all of them.

By voting totals you mean the karma score? We intentionally decided not to show that because it has many negative effects. It was accidentally still exposed in the api so we removed that.

nutomic ,
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Sure, thats because we develop for the majority of the userbase and not what some (real or imaginary) admins might want. Its impossible to make everyone happy so we have to choose what works for most people, and hiding karma is clearly very popular.

nutomic ,
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massive fragile ego, frankly horrible, acting shitty

So this is how you see me, all based on two issues out of thousands and never having talked with me directly. Honestly this comment would be a good reason to ban you for harassment and violating the site's code of conduct. But lucky for you I don't care what random strangers on the internet think about me.

nutomic ,
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Thanks that is a bit better. Unfortunately people who have already read the article wont see the update, and even people who read it now may not read all the way to the end, and still leave with a negative impression. Still its better than nothing.

To get an idea how most Lemmy users feel, have a look at this thread. Practically every comment is positive about Lemmy, you can hardly find any negative sentiment. And certainly no one cares about this image deletion issue, which proves that the complaints of a few individuals are completely blown out of proportion.

nutomic ,
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Its funny because there is no one in the world who signed any sort of development contract with us. All the money we have ever received for Lemmy have been donations which means there is no obligation for us to do anything. This includes money from NLnet which provided most of our income for the past years. And I bet the people complaining so loudly no have never even made any donation.

nutomic ,
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Thanks for the donation!

nutomic ,
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What makes you think that I want you to to keep using Lemmy? As far as I remember, Beehaw admins have only brought negativity and complaints to Lemmy development. You have never made any code contributions and based on your attitude I doubt that you donate any money. You need to realize that having more users on Lemmy gives us zero benefits, in fact more users means more work. So if you leave Lemmy it means less work and less complaints for us. Meanwhile Beehaw users who like Lemmy can easily switch to another instance.

nutomic ,
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You really think I should be grateful that you stuck by my software? Why arent you grateful for the years of work I put into this software, and for allowing you to use it for free? There are many instances which have "stuck by" Lemmy for years, such as hexbear or lemmygrad, and none of them ever showed the sort of entitled attitude that beehaw admins have.

Again I dont have any obligation or even incentive to do any work for you specifically. If you dont like how I act as "spokesperson" or "community manager" (in reality Im an open source maintainer), then stop using Lemmy and go to Sublinks, Reddit or any other platform.

nutomic ,
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Changing a total of three lines is hardly worth mentioning. The issue labeling was somewhat helpful, but in the end this task should be done by someone who is familiar with the code. And anyway it was too risky to continue this after relations with beehaw soured. So yes there were some positive contributions, but they dont outweigh the negativity and complaints.

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I wish everyone could be so humble.

nutomic ,
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If my work on Lemmy is meaningless then please stop using it. You cant have it both ways.

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