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DrBob ,

I really despise this kind of both sidesism. Because the sides are demonstrably different.

crispy_kilt ,

I think there is a bit of a misunderstanding here. From an European perspective you do basically only have one party. It ranges from quite a bit to the right to the right extreme. You don't get to choose through elections - the two wings of the party decide whom you get to choose from. That's not to dissimilar to the system in obvious dictatorships like Iran, where the candiates are pre-selected by the powers that be.

Obviously voting for the quite a bit to the right neoliberals is less bad than voting for the extreme right fascists. That goes without saying. But don't pretend like there is a real choice here.

TotallynotJessica ,
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From a perspective ignorant to the competing factions within our parties and their influence, I understand. However, I'm not going to pretend it's an accurate or useful perspective.

crispy_kilt ,

I had a similar discussion with a Chinese person criticising their ruling party.

From a perspective ignorant to the competing factions within our parties and their influence, I understand.

This is almost exactly the same thing they said.

I'm not trying to put down the USA. I'm trying to make people aware that improvement is needed and that their democracy isn't as democratic as it should be, or as they might think it to be.

FoundTheVegan ,
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The privileged perspective of those that don't have their rights controlled by politics.

feminalpanda ,

Yeah, Missouri republicans tried to make it illegal to get trans related healthcare even as an adult if you had autism. But sure both sides are the same. I guess from their ivory bunker.

Zoop ,

Yeah, shit like this is a big part of why I haven't sought diagnosis or help for my autism or gender shit even though they're ruining my fucking life. Hahahahahahahelpme

commie ,

everyone's rights are controlled by politics

FoundTheVegan ,
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Lol sure, but wealthy straight cis white men have always had full right to marry, arms, or vote. Every other group of people has had to argue for those freedoms, while others are considered the "default person".

Do trans people vote for someone that will allow them Healthcare or the one calling their existance pedophilia? That's not a choice, but it's a position many trans people are uniquely in. Just as black Americans had to argue for their freedom, to vote, to self protection. Just as women have to vote and own property. Just as queer folk have to marry.

Indifference to these situations means you're rights are so taken for granted that they will never be stripped away, so you are afforded the luxury of swing both parties the same

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