There is a third option

ristoril_zip , 5 months ago

I'm confused, are you claiming the US is a tyranny of the majority or authoritarian? Or are you saying there are tyrannies of the majority in some state or local governments?

Nationally, we're definitely neither of those things. The presidency is determined by a minority because of the electoral college. In 2020 it was just a happy coincidence that it also lined up with the popular vote.

All through 2021 and 2022 the desires of the majority were stifled by the Senate because of the minority rule that's enforced there by the 2 senators per state part of the Constitution.

Looking at the House, it's minority rule there, too. Thanks to gerrymandering by state legislatures, a lot of Republican representatives are representing 60/40 districts and a lot of Democrats are representing 90/10 districts. You can see it by adding up the total votes by party. The Democrats would have a significant majority if seats were apportioned by the popular vote.

Now maybe it's the case in some states and counties and cities that you have tyranny of the majority. That definitely sucks if they're being abusive. But it's not the only alternative to authoritarianism.

LinkOpensChest_wav OP , 5 months ago

But it's not the only alternative to authoritarianism

Tell that to the people this post is about. Also, as you have mentioned, the current system allows this. The majority of people could support ICE, and it would still be inequitable and oppressive. The majority may oppose returning land to tribal control, but it is still colonization and genocide.

Only ideologies like Anarchism preclude this, since they by definition oppose such hierarchies and don't rely on a glacially slow system that winks while people suffer.

It doesn't matter what the majority want. Often, the majority want to harm other people. If you don't believe me, then you haven't heard from enough American liberals who will make batshit claims such as this being the best system in the world or that they "have no other choice" but to force oppression and genocide as long as it's sanctioned by the law.

Clearly, this is not a good system. Never has been.

WarmApplePieShrek , 5 months ago

If the majority supports trans genocide it's impossible to stop trans genocide. If the majority is indifferent but willing, you can delay it but not forever. Only way to really win anything is to get the majority on your side, or your-side-leaning indifferent.

LinkOpensChest_wav OP , 5 months ago

Wrong on all accounts. It is the hierarchical system and the state that exacerbate bigotry.

vivadanang , 5 months ago

so tired of people setting up strawman arguments so they can finally win a debate.

meanwhile libs are voting for trans rights, voting for POC to actually represent them in the house and senate, voting for women who have brains (porter, warren, aoc) instead of tokens and bimbos. tyranny of majority? get fucked with that ignorant bullshit take. same as conservatives huh? same as the conservatives invading uteruses in Texas, Louisiana, trying it in Ohio and Michigan, oh yeah it's the same when liberals FORCED THAT WOMAN IN TEXAS TO CARRY HER DEAD BABY, oh no, wait, that wasn't liberals.

what a stupid fucking take on the world.

LinkOpensChest_wav OP , 5 months ago

Oh, please. One of the first things Biden did was open more concentration camps. He's continued Trump's wall (guess it's Biden's wall now). Millions of people die due to lack of healthcare access, and all liberals have is Obamacare 2.0, a slap in the face.

Sure, they're not as bad as Republicans, but that's a dismally low bar. They're still complicit in fascism and genocide. They're still defending capitalism.

Want to talk about strawman? Let's talk about how every time someone mentions these things, Libs deflect with wild unfounded accusations of supporting Trump.

American liberals are only marginally better than Republicans. And if you're in one of those camps, they're no better at all.

Edit: I actually thought this was a different thread. I'll still leave it though because it's all accurate.

This is the kind of shit I'm talking about. By this logic, the anti-trans anti-POC laws in my state are alright, according to liberals. I've heard the same thing from them about the border camps and wall - "Biden has no choice!" Bullshit.

vivadanang , 5 months ago

One of the first things Biden did was open more concentration camps.

uh huh. gassed millions I'm sure.

American liberals are only marginally better than Republicans. And if you’re in one of those camps, they’re no better at all.

mmm yeah tell me how all the women on the left don't mean anything you sexist racist garbage. tell me how one party embracing actual minority participation is the real racism.

quack quack quack quack the libs are almost as bad as the LITERAL FASCISTS.

Get a sense of reality or get fucked.

WarmApplePieShrek , 5 months ago

good point. biden is hitler. better vote trump instead. /s

LinkOpensChest_wav OP , 5 months ago

You are literally the person this post is about.