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MisterFrog , in First meme (hopefully good)
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Not an American, but in a country well within the imperial interior (Australia). Jesus Christ, go vote, and go vote for the less shit candidates (the democrats).

The voting system is entirely broken, granted, but you not voting does not help.

It we vassals of the US get the MAGAs in charge, shit is going to hit the fan, and unlike you, we can't do anything about it other than plead with you to go vote.

First-past-the-post means go vote for the less shit candidate.

spujb , in Different takes I've seen on sex work

my take is don’t cross post the same meme to a billion communities dawg we get it

hellothere , in Different takes I've seen on sex work

Erm, there being dignity in labour is like the foundational concept to socialism...

A bit odd for this to be upvoted here.

nickwitha_k ,

I interpreted it as implying "being coerced into selling one's labor is degrading, regardless of occupation" rather than "labour is without dignity".

(And just realized that I mixed European and Simplified English spelling there... I'm going to leave it.)

hellothere , (edited )

I'm not gonna pretend that life under capitalism means all labour is equally dignified, or rewarding, or a benefit to your community.

But, the fundamental difference between the working class and the owners is that we work, and they don't. They only have their livelihood because of us, and that is why we are valuable, and they are not.

Your skills and abilities are dignified. The future is NOT us all choosing to be idle. That is a bourgeois ideal, and is valueless.

Obviously I'm not counting people who have no option. Ableism can also go fuck itself.

nickwitha_k ,

Definitely on the same page. Humans tend to opt to do things with their time without need for coercion, whether necessary for survival or not. I WOULD argue that in an ideal, highly automated world, idleness could be a valid option but, I don't suspect it would be as popular as some may think.

I'm absence of sufficient automation, people will tend to pursue what interests them or what they're good at, which allowed our species to thrive long before social constructs introduced coercion to extract value from others' labor.

hellothere ,

Even highly automated, an idle future would mean no change.

That would require essentially a perfect, and unchanging, society.

That doesn't sound realistic given our social nature.

nickwitha_k , (edited )

Oh indeed. Like I stated, I doubt that many would take that option. Humans just tend to be too driven to do something to dedicate their lives to idleness. They would also likely feel social pressures to do otherwise. And when I say "idle", I really mean it. It would take effort to avoid producing anything at all - not even art (Steevo and Bob in SLC Punk comes to mind).

Would some be inclined to be idle? Probably. Would many want to spend their whole lives idle? The data does not suggest this.

gregorum , in Different takes I've seen on sex work
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🧠💥: Work isn’t inherently degrading, it just needs the regulation it deserves

HopeOfTheGunblade ,
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I think that, so long as work is mandatory to basic survival, it will be degrading. When people have real options is when that changes.

OldWoodFrame , in Second meme (hopefully better)

Anarchists: Famous for their willingness to listen to someone else.

Val OP ,

If this is sarcasm, then this is a conflict of terms that I thought about including in the meme but decided against for a snappier message. Listening can be read as either "obeying" or "hearing out". This meme was made with the "hearing out" meaning in mind.

If its not and you use that meaning of listen then Yeah, Ain't that great.

Yondoza , in Second meme (hopefully better)

I recently heard "Freedom is the availability of choice." This not only feels like the correct definition, it also includes how poverty strips freedom away by limiting choice. When we say freedom we typically mean political freedom, but I think we should adapt this definition so we can also include economic freedoms.

MxM111 ,
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The anarchists will argue against wealth redistribution because it takes (forcefully via taxes) money from the richer, thus committing a larger sin of anti-freedom than giving this economic freedom for the poorer. You can not make forcefully responsible one person for another person freedoms in anarchism.

Val OP ,

Anarchists argue that capitalism is an oppressive hierarchy that should be dismantled. That the ruling class is using money as a tool to oppress the poor and restrict their freedom.

Anarchism is a leftist/socialist way of thought. It does not protect the rich.
Any anarchist who protects the rich is an oxymoron. Like the "anarcho-capitalists".

For further reading: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/the-anarchist-faq-editorial-collective-an-anarchist-faq-full#text-amuse-label-secf1

MxM111 ,
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Sure, anarcho-communists and syndicalists would like just essentially abolish private ownership of means of manufacturing, but not anarcho-individualists. I guess I should have been more clear that I meant my answer from anarcho-individualist point of view.

Val OP ,

Sorry! I over-reacted. You are absolutely right. I am just used to the communist/syndicalist side and so when seeing someone talk about anarchism being against taxes the mind immediately jumps to the an-cap conclusion.

However I wonder how does individualist anarchism deal with wealth inequality? And the above mentioned economic freedoms limiting political freedom?

MxM111 ,
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Free Markets: Anarcho-individualists support free markets as a means to distribute resources efficiently. They argue that without state interference, markets would naturally adjust to ensure fair competition and opportunity for all.

Elimination of Monopolies: They believe that many forms of economic inequality stem from monopolies and privileges granted by the state. By eliminating these, they argue that individuals would have equal opportunities to succeed based on their talents and efforts​.

Voluntary Mutual Aid: While they reject compulsory welfare systems, anarcho-individualists support voluntary mutual aid societies, where individuals can freely join and contribute to support each other in times of need​.

Education and Empowerment: Anarcho-individualists stress the importance of education and self-improvement as means for individuals to improve their circumstances. They argue that an educated and informed populace is better equipped to challenge and overcome social inequalities.

Personal Responsibility: They emphasize personal responsibility and self-reliance. Each individual is seen as responsible for their own well-being and should not depend on coercive institutions for support.

Non-Aggression Principle: This principle states that individuals should not initiate force or coercion against others. By adhering to this principle, anarcho-individualists believe that a just and equitable society can be achieved where individuals respect each other's rights and freedoms

Please note, I personally am not an anarchist, even though I find many principles attractive. I just don't think that they will work because of the voluntary aspects and internal contradictions (e.g. no state, but elimination of the monopolies. How?)

db0 , in Second meme (hopefully better)
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If only it was that simple. What freedom comes from listening to a neo-nazi?

Val OP ,

One needs to listen to a neo-nazi to understand them, help them. The problem is that they won't listen to us because being angry is easier.

db0 ,
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Not everyone is open to help. Likewise, you seem to be writing in the abstract. Or what exactly should a jewish or PoC hear when the neo-nazi is talking about their extermination?

Val OP ,

I should post a follow-up saying "You don't have to listen to people that have no intention of listening to you".

AtHeartEngineer ,
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Also, who decides who needs help? Some cases are obvious (neo-nazis), but many aren't, and the majority of people won't have enough context or time to make decisions for everything.

SquirtleHermit ,

I mean, it's probably better they hear about it before it starts happening. Actually, it's definitely better we all hear it before it's starts happening. You know... So we can try to stop it.

Fizz , in Proper upside down flag?
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I thought this was kfc until I scrolled down to the second half. Disappointing because I really enjoy kfc

kashifshah OP ,

Disappointment is the feeling that I experience when looking at the right-side-up flag, so I feel for ya.

OccamsRazer , in Dots connected

Protests usually don't get shut down unless they are particularly disruptive, if they go on for days and if they significantly inconvenience people going about their daily lives. Usually white supremacist marches are cringey and eye rolling, but generally harmless.

DessertStorms ,
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white supremacist marches are cringey and eye rolling,

but generally harmless.

No.

They're either white supremacist, or harmless, you can't have both, and the fact that you're even trying is super fucking gross.

OccamsRazer ,

There's a lot of people in the world with disgusting views, and most of them are irrelevant. White supremacists are irrelevant. They don't actually do anything besides March around every now and then, and normal people give them side eye and move on with their daily lives.

crazyminner , in Dots connected

It hasn't clicked for most people that they're going to have to do a "murder the bourgeois/fascists" soon.

People have gotten too complacent and they're scared. Big change is scary.

rockstarmode ,

Yeah, let's advocate for violence, great job!

Fuuuu

DessertStorms ,
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Yeah, lets advocate taking the existing violence from the state lying down, and frame those fighting back as the problem.

Fucking bootlickers... 😒

ArmokGoB ,

Yeah, I'm sure if you ask nicely, you can persuade the cops to not give you a bean bag round lobotomy.

crazyminner ,
YeetPics , in Education
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

Nah, make it illegal to own buckets.

That's the states candy, cease your investigation.

xia , in Education

The same object lesson could apply to technofascism, data-silos, police seizures, ...

SpaceCadet , in First meme (hopefully good)
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It's like those websites and applications that ask you:

Hey do you want to turn on this bullshit feature?

[Yes] [Ask me again later]
umbrella , in Dots connected
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can't overstate this enough. fascism is already here and people don't seem to be getting it.

xor , in Dots connected

nope... well partially but, the real difference is they bring guns.
chuds always bring guns to protest... cops aren't going to tear gas a bunch of guys holding AR-15's and wearing body armor...

they only like to attack defenseless people...

Sweetpeaches69 ,

You go far left enough you get your guns back. Arm up, comrades.

orca ,
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The left should start arming themselves. That’s my takeaway anyway.

ThePyroPython ,

Get. Your. Guns.

Look, you can howl at every mass shooting and the lack of response for dealing with gun control and a responsible gun culture unlike some other countries in the world.

But you can't play with your dream hand you've got to play with hand you've been dealt.

And in the American game, guns = might = rights. So show up with them and don't act stupid.

Act cool, calm, and collected. Show these chud that if they really want to escalate to a civil war, they're not going to be the only ones firings shots. Don't fire the first one, fire the last.

Flatworm7591 OP ,
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It also doesn't help that a lot of the white supremacists are also cops.

ThatWeirdGuy1001 ,
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Some of those that work forces.

DessertStorms ,
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THIS is the correct answer.

Cops don't bother white supremacists for the sole reason that they are on the same fucking side, and often even share a fucking uniform (be it blue shirt and trousers, or white hood).

That's also why they are allowed to have armed protests in the first place, while Black people can't even fucking walk down the street without being treated as armed and dangerous and shot dead by cops on a regular basis for simply existing. The idea that all leftists need to do is arm themselves if they want an armed protest is so far beyond ignorant, anyone who seriously believes it needs an emergency removal of head from rectum, at the very least..

sik0fewl ,

Same reason they don't enter schools during active shooter situations.

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