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MisterFrog ,
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I know this is a joke, but a bad dog is so much more of a problem than a bad cat. (Not counting feral animals)

Bad cat: angry, wants you to leave them the fuck alone, scratches you at the slightest provocation

Bad dog: hyperactive or jumps all over you or barks at you, can seriously injure or kill you.

Our society takes for granted that you can take your dog anywhere (in Australia at least), and I don't think enough emphasis is placed on the fact if you can't 100% control your dog, don't bring it anywhere near people.

The number of people saying "oh he's friendly" as their dog scares someone afraid of dogs because they're jumping up on them is stupid.

This society values dogs more, and I just don't get it.

MisterFrog ,
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I love how you exactly proved their point without realising. Please go look up the spoiler effect with first-past-the-post voting.

MisterFrog ,
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No, this is not how it works. Please look up the spoiler effect.

I can't vote because I don't live there, but am in the imperial core of countries, so it would be very nice to not have fascists in charge, considering we literally have prosecuted whistleblowers reporting on warcrimes at the behest of the US government. We're your little bitches whether we like it or not.

Y'all really do need to be hyper-focused on pushing for sweeping electoral reform, for sure.

In the meantime though, voting for a 3rd party under your system is basically a vote for the person you don't want.

Vote Biden if you would dislike having Trump more. If you don't want to do that, then yeah, you're basically admitting you're cool with the outcome of Trump presidency.

Please don't waste your vote, your vassals beg you.

MisterFrog ,
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Look up the spoiler effect. Please! This vassal is begging you.

The question under your system (please inform yourself about first-past-the-post) isn't who do you want to win, it's who you do you want NOT to win.

If you vote for your third-party candidate, it's equivalent to not having voted at all, if they have no chance of winning.

You're going to get Biden or Trump with how people vote (spoiler effect, look it up), one of those is going to win, make your peace with that.

So, which would you rather?

I am happy to spell out in greater detail why voting for a third party candidate is a waste of time under your system, happy to chat if there's still any confusion about it.

MisterFrog ,
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My friends, these are troll accounts. 8h old, only commented on this post.

MisterFrog ,
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If you lived somewhere with a decent preferential voting system, you'd be right.

You don't though, and it's not misinformation to say that under a first part the post system, voting for a third candidate that is not going to win is a waste of the influence you have. CGPGrey explains it well

MisterFrog ,
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Then Ms 8h account with their full name (deeeeefinitelty not a shill, deeeefinitelt a genuine user. Yeah people on Lemmy toooootally use their full name as if it were facebook), I'll just have to conclude you're trying to sway leftists not to vote for Biden, so the world ends up with trump.

I hope you're unsuccessful.

MisterFrog ,
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Please, do go on to explain how the spoiler effect is a myth. I'll wait. I'd like to see your logic on that one. (Inb4 you don't)

MisterFrog ,
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🤦‍♂️ It's a "law" in the mathematical/scientific sense. It is a model that explains something.

You're just spouting smart sounding words without actually proving anything.

Please, please, do explain how the spoiler effect is wrong.

Tell me how when you have first past the post and a two party system, voting for a third candidate who won't win isn't just making it more likely the candidate you'd like less to win.

Please, would love to hear you well reasoned and sound argument.

MisterFrog ,
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Okay 👍 Please do explain your whacky logic though. I came to the conclusion you're a troll because you're not really engaging by explaining your position beyond: "I don't wanna, it's a lie! The media is lying!!"

Go learn maths, go understand the mechanism behind the spoiler effect. Go look at the literal mountains of examples of it in play. Unless you think it's just some massive coincidence that every first-past-the-post system trends towards two parties.

I'm very keen and willing hear to any actual logic you bring to the table to justify your belief.

MisterFrog ,
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The evidence is all of the first past the post systems that trend toward two dominant parties. There are 1000s of example elections, and the elections which don't conform to this are just as bad, because the winner will win with even FEWER votes than 50%. If you have 5 candidates and people are voting fairly evenly between them, you can win with just over 20% of the vote. I hope you can believe that, that's just the mathematical reality (that I'm really hoping we don't have to debate over, it's a fairly simple mathematical problem).

The myth is that what you have can actually provide voters with a meaningful choice. That's the media narrative, that first past the post is meaningful and gives the president a mandate because people voted for them, but it most certainly doesn't.

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Sorry, that's my bad. Your initial response was quite frustrating.

Emotions are high because this election affects people around the world, and hearing that you don't care enough to make a difference, is not very pleasant.

I apologise.

MisterFrog ,
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Yeah we have many separate threads now. Apologies for this.

MisterFrog ,
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Lets just focus on this particular election then.

Do you think anyone other than Biden or Trump will win? If you do, then your choice is clear, and as much as you question the existence of the spoiler effect (which is not being spread much by the media in the US, it's being spread by detractors of the current voting system), it doesn't really matter. People will vote towards those two candidates (hope we can agree that this is the likely outcome).

If that's the case, voting for a third candidate is as good as not voting because if your candidate doesn't win, and you COULD have voted for your next choice (why ranked voting is so much better, and it's the voting system letting you down), then the candidate you most don't want (assuming 3 candidates) has a better chance of winning (since you didn't vote for your second choice).

You say this isn't provable because it's about people's beliefs and it can't be tested, but sorry, elections are about human choices, beliefs are at play. I don't think it's a coincidence that democracies with ranked choice voting have more first preference votes to smaller parties, and that it's overwhelmingly so.

You can't really escape the fact that even if people just voted for their favourite candidate in first past the post, people would win with less than 50% of the vote (unless you're saying that the votes don't add up to 100% then I dunno what to say)

MisterFrog ,
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Alrighty, then I suppose you just aren't voting. Which is your choice, just as long as you're clear on that.

Your candidate is not going to win, and I think you know that.

And if you think these choices are equally as bad, that's a whole different topic that let's not get in to.

MisterFrog ,
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Okay, the test would be that we have first past the post (single winner elections, like for president, or local electorates with single candidates elected, not proportional voting, which is better), produce elections with a spread of votes across many candidates, and don't consistently trend towards two.

This is definitely testable and disprovable, it's just that the outcome is overwhelmingly the case I have described, the spoiler effect leading to two dominant parties. There may be outliers and times where a third candidate does win, but these are the overwhelmingly rare exceptions.

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For sure, I wouldn't like voting for either, also.

Just that if they're not equal, then that means you have a preference. And I hope you will act on that preference and make a difference, instead or just making yourself feel good that you've voted for the candidate you liked best.

You've been robbed of that choice by your voting system.

MisterFrog ,
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I'm not explaining away exceptions, they're called outliers. In any set of data there will be deviations. When I want to plot some viscosity data and get a few random points on my chart that don't line up with the rest of the curve, I'm still very confident that my curve is close to being accurate, as long as I have enough data points.

We have enough data points on first past the post elections.

For it to be disproven you would show first past the post elections don't have to two party systems in the vast majority of cases (which isn't the reality).

Now, you can try and handwave this away by saying, "oh but that's what people were TOLD TO BELIEVE, so you can't prove it". That's why we have not just the correlation to rely on, we have maths.

And you can't (I hope you don't) really disagree that you either have many candidates, who then win with less than a majority, or two parties, which then necessarily means the third smaller candidates can't win, and so people then vote for one of the larger parties so their vote counts. That's the binary state of affairs, there are no other options, the reality of maths doesn't allow for anything else, the votes add up to 100% ¯_(ツ)_/¯

MisterFrog ,
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Well I suppose for voters like you, then yeah, go vote for your candidate. Just seems odd that you're saying you don't think their equally bad, but instead of then making a difference to ensure the less bad option wins, you'd rather make yourself feel good for voting for someone you like best.

May the gods have mercy on us mere vassals who are watching from the sidelines.

Stay safe in these troubled times friend, and thanks for engaging, even if at times it got a bit heated and apologies for offence caused.

MisterFrog ,
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I'm not saying we need more data though, we have the data, plurality voting overwhelming results in two party systems. This is disprovable and I'm totally happy to change my mind based on the evidence and data.

I'm not straw-manning, you said before with regards to looking up the spoiler effect "I have. it's not a natural phenomenon, it's a story that the media tells."

Apologies if I misunderstood what you were saying there.

MisterFrog OP ,
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I realise I have Google account, convenience at the cost of privacy. Just irks me that it's not opt in because if it were, their system would be less useful, and we can't give people informed consent can we...

MisterFrog OP ,
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Lol whoops

MisterFrog ,
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This is what will push me over to Linux too, just will be procrastinate a bit because I don't have lots of time to work out all the kinks

anders , to Memes
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Data storage vs backup storage

@memes

MisterFrog ,
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People's right to their own personal joys ends at everyone else's right to safety and not being killed on the road (especially as a pedestrian, like you wouldn't be able to see shit in this thing).

Drive it only on private property and transport it in suitable truck? Fine

MisterFrog ,
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Not an American, but in a country well within the imperial interior (Australia). Jesus Christ, go vote, and go vote for the less shit candidates (the democrats).

The voting system is entirely broken, granted, but you not voting does not help.

It we vassals of the US get the MAGAs in charge, shit is going to hit the fan, and unlike you, we can't do anything about it other than plead with you to go vote.

First-past-the-post means go vote for the less shit candidate.

MisterFrog ,
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Physiotherapists use a form of acupuncture called dry needling, which can be used to trigger muscle twitching/relaxation (I'm not really super knowledgeable on it, I've just been to the physio, who use this in combination with massage, specific exercises etc)

It's certainly not placebo

As for all the other claims made, I dunno.

MisterFrog ,
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Am I the only one who watched the video, and due to nostalgia upscaling my memory, could hardly tell any difference other than frame rate.

I should go look at the normal game 😅

MisterFrog ,
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Is this a joke? (I know it isn't).

Why would I want to know the dimensions of the unfinished product? I'm not a construction worker, so honestly is there any reason?

MisterFrog ,
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This and the worse right-click menu make me dread the day I have to switch at work :/

MisterFrog , (edited )
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Thank you. This is such a breath of fresh air. In all cases I prefer a simple answer, when organising an event with multiple people where I want to get ideas on numbers for planning.

• Yes - great! See you there

• No (with or without a reason) - fantastic! We've all got our own stuff going on or reasons why we don't want to go!

• Maybe, with a reason why, or when you would be able to give an answer - cool!

• Maybe, with no further explanation - ugh. I'll just assume you're not coming and don't care.

Maybe with no explanation is the cowards way out. Especially when "no sorry, I'm busy!" is the standard white lie.

"No because I don't want to (don't feel socially up to it)" is the hero's response and I salute you 🫡

MisterFrog ,
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Here's the trick (maybe):
"Don't you know that WhatsApp is owned by Meta and collecting information on your chat metadata (who you chat to, when, your contacts, their contacts)."

Tell them to get Signal. If there's any country on this planet where convincing people to use Signal is easier, it must be Germany. GMaps streetview was banned there until recently, everyone uses fake names on Facebook, if they even made one in the first place.

Surely they must be amenable to Signal

MisterFrog ,
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Journalists barely cite anything. "A study from this organisation says this." Don't tell you when it was published, or link to the official website. Nada.

Journalists are pretty trash at citing their sources on average. I think it's wild most countries don't seem to regulate this. It would do wonders for archives of news content so that you can actually follow up on the story to it's source.

MisterFrog ,
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The state (could and idealistically) be the will of the people via proper democratic systems. It's just that right now most aren't that democratic, and unelected corporations have too much influence. (So under capitalism, I do think actual democracy isn't super meaningful)

I think if you want to have a functional civilisation (rather than just small communes, which with today's population is a pipe-dream) you need some kind of taxes, and now we've already arrived back at needing a state.

Collective spending is required for a civilisation, end of story. Anarchy is never going to build continent spanning infrastructure, ever.

Someone trying to accumulate wealth or power is going to ruin it for you. Sold you food with lead in it? Okay, what are ya gonna do about it? At a small, community scale this is easy, at civilisation scale, forget about it. You need some court system.

If you want to go live in a commune, be my guest, that's the only place anarchy can work.

MisterFrog ,
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eSIMdb is good place to find even more options :)

MisterFrog ,
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My menu key 😭

Me, the one person who will actually miss it.

I use it mostly at work, so I won't have a choice.

MisterFrog ,
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This comment made me realise I don't really know where the border between particle and molecule is.

Pretty sure fragrances are mostly giving off volitle molecules, rather than particles.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

MisterFrog ,
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The place I work in, reply all is the standard, and you pick your recipients diligently.

It's really annoying when you cc people and then the person only responds to you, and you have to forward it to everyone else cc'd.

Luckily it's only external people who don't reply all.

Google Allows Creditors to Brick Your Phone (lemmy.world)

I installed NetGuard about a month ago and blocked all internet to apps, unless they're on a whitelist. No notifications from this particular system app (that can't be disabled) until recently when it started making internet connection requests to google servers. Does anyone know when this became a thing?...

MisterFrog OP ,
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Yikes. Well at least I feel vindicated that it's not somehow my "fault" for using Shelter. It's where I install all my questionable

Why in the world would this be bundled with AOSP? (Or is Graphene not built on stock AOSP, I have no concept of how that works)

MisterFrog OP ,
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Only somewhat. I think I should be able to figure the ADB terminal out as I've used it before (on training wheels following instructions).

Yeah overall I'm not too worried for me personally since I have it blocked behind a firewall.

It's more than google has this installed for many more devices than it should be, and the purpose of it in general.

Makes my blood boil, with how far corporate overreach has come.

They should NOT be allowed to enable extrajudicial enforcement like this. The world worked just fine before this. People had property repossessed, just there's a legal process to take. And a third party (the judicial system) decided whether to allow enforcement, not the creditor themselves.

Imagine you miss one phone payment (your card expires or something) and then you can't access you phone, the primary device for most people to manage their digital lives. They'll just be fucked, and it'll be the most vulnerable in society who suffer.

It's so wrong.

I think it's much preferable that some bad apples just don't pay and the creditor loses some money, than vulnerable people get their lives fucked over because they missed a single payment.

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Good to hear! And thanks for providing this data point. I may get around to doing a survey, and trying to rope in some people who know their way around android development to see what's going on here.

MisterFrog OP ,
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No worries mate

MisterFrog OP ,
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Many thanks for this

MisterFrog OP ,
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Apparently this included on some phones running GrapheneOS according to some other commenters.

I agree with your sentiment, but think we need to urge our governments to regulate the ever-loving god our of these companies.

It's getting more out of hand, and I don't think we should just resign ourselves.

Flashing GrapheneOS is not an option for the vast majority of people due to barriers to entry, and potentially essential banking apps not playing nicely.

I'd rather not move on. Heck 'em.

MisterFrog OP ,
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It's literally phoning google services, and the package name has google in the name.

It's a google thing.

MisterFrog OP ,
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What model do you have, out of curiosity?

MisterFrog OP ,
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It's not "available" in the Australian Playstore either, whether it's installed so far seems to be how old your phone is (rough feeling based on comments). Not yet clear what the pattern is.

MisterFrog OP ,
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Not sure, perhaps I should change this to "Google Pixel Android 14"

MisterFrog OP ,
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You too friend :)

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