Arch celebrating plasma 6 dropping a week after NixOS

genie , 2 months ago

How long until "works on my machine" becomes "works on my config"

fl42v , 2 months ago

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ngn , 2 months ago

fun fact: you could add the extra-testing to repo to get it the first day

Prunebutt , 2 months ago (edited 2 months ago)

Seriously, the learning curve of nixOS is still... exhausting. Couldn't get it to run with plasma 6 and wayland and the documentation is so incomplete.

Edit: Typo

onlinepersona OP , 2 months ago

That's unfortunately true. There's a community effort to document stuff without going through the lengthy process of getting it approved by overworked maintainers: https://nixlang.wiki

Feel free to contribute your learnings there.

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ftbd , 2 months ago

Are you starting fresh or did it work with another DE? Might help in tracking down the problem

Prunebutt , 2 months ago (edited 2 months ago)

Fresh install on a VM. Was a bit confused that the default was Xorg. Changing both to wayland and to Plasma 6 was too complicated for me.

Edit: Typo

ftbd , 2 months ago

With plasma 6, you need

services.xserver.displayManager.defaultSession = "plasma";

instead of " plasmawayland", since wayland has become the default

Prunebutt , 2 months ago

But do I still need all that xserver.enabled = true business?

linearchaos , 2 months ago

At least rolling back after you broke it was easy. :)

Prunebutt , 2 months ago

When it's the first thing you tried after a fresh install, it's quite frustrating.

linearchaos , 2 months ago

Oh yeah, I've been running nix for a week, it can't even find plz6 after I added unstable and updated. Lost a couple hours to the attempt, rollback was 30 sec tho

CodeGameEat , 2 months ago

@onlinepersona not really about this post, but i see that you have a license link in all your comments. Just curious, do you copy-paste that every time or do you have some automated setup?

onlinepersona OP , 2 months ago

I do copy paste it. KDE has a tool called klipper that allows to have a clipboard history, so hitting Super+V brings up a dropdown and I can select it. The effort is therefore minimal.

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MentalEdge , 2 months ago (edited 2 months ago)

Consider using the KDE keyboard shortcut tools to set up a permanent paste keybind instead of using the history.

For example, I have a keybind that sends a known mouse movement input, which I use to set that known mouse input to always correspond to ten centimeters of on-screen movement.

Using a keybind would remove the need to ever select the right item from the history, and reduce the clutter in it for copy-pasting other things.

onlinepersona OP , 2 months ago

Oh hey, I thanks for the hint. I hadn't thought of that!

Looks like there was a bug in KDE5 (KDE6 is on another PC) and I had to follow instructions on this stackoverflow.

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thisbenzingring , 2 months ago

LFS users are like

GTFO

possiblylinux127 , 2 months ago

You people

onlinepersona OP , 2 months ago

Yes, we the people! Rise up, comrad!

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possiblylinux127 , 2 months ago

In Russia people rise into you!

Seriously though I can always spot your comments from the link you always include.

pete_the_cat , 2 months ago

Sassy Black Woman: What do you mean "You people"?

taanegl , 2 months ago

...NixOS is the new Arch Linux. Change my mind.

CodeGameEat , 2 months ago

The difference is I can upgrade my NixOS without breaking everything hahaha. But it has gotten a lot more popular recently, which I think is your analogy? Or because people always bring it up now lol

Vuraniute , 2 months ago

yea i think its the popularity spike. if only there were more docs on flakes though.

starman , 2 months ago

If only wiki was as good as Arch's...

Vuraniute , 2 months ago

exactly. cant blame them tho, its unofficial.

agressivelyPassive , 2 months ago

I still don't completely get their point, TBH.

And the Nix language seems to be intentionally confusingly close to json.

Vuraniute , 2 months ago

iirc theyre meant to improve reproducibility by using pinned versions of stuff like nixpkgs instead of inheriting from your system which could be a problem if for example someone on 23.11 sends a deriv to someone on 24.05

Shareni , 2 months ago

• control the versions of the repo and packages

• config the official repo (allow unfree packages for example) that doesn't work unless you're on nixos

• add packages from a git repo

• update package definitions (think apt update)

expr , 2 months ago

The similarities are superficial at best. The only thing similar is that it uses braces for attribute sets (objects) and square brackets for lists. And I guess quotes for strings.

But otherwise it's a full (functional) programming language, with functions, variable bindings, etc.

Flakes aren't perfect, but they are really good for ensuring that you have completely reproducible builds since the version used for every dependency is pinned.

CodeGameEat , 2 months ago

I agree, altough I'm trying to use them here and there, i'm still very confused by it.

Neon , 2 months ago

i actually managed to somewhat break it. But a rollback just immediately fixed it again.

marcos , 2 months ago

Nah, NixOS has a very deserved air of superiority. Arch just fakes its one.

Telodzrum , 2 months ago

Hardly, NixOS documentation is trash. The Arch Wiki is essentially the platonic ideal of documentation.

taanegl , 2 months ago

Truefax

genie , 2 months ago

Maybe you should learn to read the manual or debug your system without hand holding 😉

leo85811nardo , 2 months ago

It doesn't have a wiki as good as Arch, yet

Sneptaur , 2 months ago

Considering all of my theming and several of my apps have broken today, and that I’ve had two crashes… I’m glad they took longer.

TheGingerNut , 2 months ago

They removed legacy font based DPI scaling. I hate it. Nothing looks right 😭

onlinepersona OP , 2 months ago

Could you explain what that is?

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TheGingerNut , 2 months ago

Plasma used to have 2 ways of dealing with pixil density settings and they removed my favorite one. It's been deprecated for ages so I knew it was coming but it still hurt

JoMomma , 2 months ago

with the linux logo on his face

onlinepersona OP , 2 months ago

😂 a freudian slip

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LunchEnjoyer , 2 months ago

Why do you include the CC link in all of your comments...?

kuneho , 2 months ago

It's a phase

onlinepersona OP , 2 months ago

Proprietary LLMs (it's non-commercial license)

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Fubarberry , 2 months ago

Couldn't Arch users just install it through the Nix Package manager?

onlinepersona OP , 2 months ago

And set up all the systemd services themselves? Sure. Have at it.

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justin , 2 months ago

I gotta say and it feels weird to but I'm happy Arch are spending a bit longer testing these days. When I used to run it updates just felt rushed into the repo so Arch got it first.

onlinepersona OP , 2 months ago

"bleeding edge"

But maybe Arch doesn't purport to be bleeding edge anymore.

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aBundleOfFerrets , 2 months ago

Getting plasma 6 a week after it drops is still “bleeding edge” when the alternative is a couple months

onlinepersona OP , 2 months ago

I too like strong hits of copium

blotz , 2 months ago

Can't you just build from source of you want it? Like kde has pretty good docs for this.

femboy_bird , 2 months ago

But compiler scawy

blotz , 2 months ago

xD true

ayaya , 2 months ago

It was also already in Arch's KDE-unstable repo. I've been using Plasma 6 for like 3 months.

TimeSquirrel , 2 months ago

Compiling source code tends to get messy when you decide to remove it from your system. Also, you'll have to manually update it, any package manager will be unaware of it and can't do anything with it anyway. You'll also be responsible for dealing with conflicts with other software or dependency issues. That's why we have repos. Someone else did all that work already.

onlinepersona OP , 2 months ago

Of course, but that doesn't add it to the package repo.

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