Liberalism is an idealistideology that promotes free market principles, individualism, and fundamental rights (also known as bourgeois privileges). Liberalism emerged as the ideological component of capitalism, and gained administrative power as a result of the bourgeois revolutions of the 18th and 19th centuries in North America and Europe. Liberalism, the philosophy behind the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, has consistently changed over the centuries, as a result of advancement in the productive forces and the development of the feudal serfdom into the industrial proletariat, and has now turned into neoliberalism, as a result of the consolidation of capital into the hands of the few, and to protect the ruling class from socialism, which is currently in the process of replacing capitalism as the primary mode of production.
No, it's not the morally correct position. It's your political opinion. But I was trying to make a different point, and that was how bad your "meme" is. The whole point is that people with opinion A are angry when you tell them your opposite opinion B. What I demonstrated with my parody of your meme and what you just confirmed is that the meme can work the same even if you switch A and B. It's a low effort post made in 2 minutes on a toilet and it's not funny, not even for people who agree with your political opinion. Or at least I don't think communists on lemmy are that dumb to find the "lol people who don't agree with me are angry when I tell them the thing they don't agree with 🤣😂🤣" funny. It's stupid and it would be just as stupid if I posted my version of the meme. I don't mind political memes, even if I don't agree with them, but this is not a good meme. It might be a funny shitpost, it's really similar to something like "annanas on pizza haters when you tell them annanas on pizza is tasty". People like you posting low effort shit like this and people upvoting it not because they find it funny, but because they share your political view are turning lemmy into communist circle jerk. !comics is full of hateful political cartoons that one of the mods keeps spamming there, so it already is just that. People giving lemmy a try and seeing this getting upvoted are not going to have a good first impression about lemmy. I believe you are hurting this community and whole lemmy and helping no one.
People like you posting low effort shit like this and people upvoting it not because they find it funny, but because they share your political view are turning lemmy into communist circle jerk.
A spectre is haunting Lemmy — the spectre of specter shitposts.
Have you considered simply blocking this community?
people upvoting
What is wrong with these people? QUIT HAVING FUN.
I believe you are hurting this community
Have you considered that this might not be your community?
Like, the whole corporate social media universe is basically libs only territory, and plenty of fediverse instances are libs only territory, and you want to complain about the tiny corner that is !memes, which no one’s forcing you to look at?
I remember this being a big problem back on reddit. Most upvoted posts in a subreddit were often posts whose authors clearly didn't understand the subreddit's point. What I want to say with this is that post getting upvotes doesn't necessarily mean they are good post for this community. Because that's the argument that immediately comes to my mind when I'm criticizing this post: it's upvoted, therefore people clearly want posts like that.
I won't respond to every one of your responses individually, because I feel like you missed what I'm trying to say. It's kinda hard for me to express my thoughts in english, so it might be my fault. I'll try again:
When I see regular memes in this community, I usually have good emotion from them. I often laugh, be it aloud or just in my head. I might send the meme to my friends. Overall, it makes my day a bit better.
When I see one of those memes like this one, saying something like "it's ok to shoot capitalists" or "both american parties are bad", I don't have any of those good feelings. Even though with the second one I more agree than disagree. These are not memes, at least not as I see it, for me they are just (often very hateful) political message written to some meme format. I'm not talking about every meme criticizing communism. I'm talking about these low effort memes that I could create tons of from literally any random meme template.
Now, the following is just my opinion:
I don't think people who agree with the political message in these memes (communists in this case) do have the good emotions that I have from regular memes. I believe that people who upvote it do it not because they laughed, but because they agree with the political message. And I don't think memes should be like that.
If I'm wrong, I'm just unable to see it with your eyes, and you really find those memes funny and entertaining, then my whole point doesn't make sense.
Preliminarily: For better or worse, !memes doesn’t exclude politics, and it has been that way since before I even created my Lemmy user account. As far as I’m concerned, the comm is what it is. It’s been here since Lemmy’s inception, and !nonpolitical_memes was created three years later (also before my time).
I believe that people who upvote it do it not because they laughed, but because they agree with the political message. And I don’t think memes should be like that.
I agree with you that many people (up/down) vote on political memes not for the quality of the meme but for agreement in the politics. I was on Reddit for over 15 years and made the same observation as you. I, too, am not a fan of low quality memes bubbling to the top on account of their political message, and I personally don’t upvote them. One could try to argue that this behavior is a Reddit holdover, but I suspect that it’s human nature. Just look at how low-quality political cartoons often are in newspapers.
If someone wants to create a political meme community (of whatever political stripe), where the mods aggressively remove low quality memes, they certainly can, and I wish them the best of luck.
I understand that you don’t like the politics of !memes, and I do sympathize with your frustration with the low-quality memes. We can’t police people’s voting motivations, so—unfortunately for you and me—the low-quality memes are not going away. The politics reflect the community, and if the politics don’t reflect you, then it might not be your community. Just block/unsubscribe and move on.
