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DRUMS_ ,

Wrong. Get off the phone.

kmkz_ninja ,

Says the neurotypical teacher to the kid who can't concentrate without music during study time.

sturmblast ,

many entire generations of people did not have this luxury

kmkz_ninja ,

Many generations of people didn't have the luxury of an MRI machine. Are you going to deny people that because of it?

sturmblast ,

not a great comparison

kmkz_ninja ,

It's your argument.

Bandananaan ,

Just do what I did in school and put an earphone down your sleeve. Rest head on hand. Listen to music. It's not difficult, I got away with it in exams ffs (I dont recommend that last bit btw, that was young stupidity in hindsight)

kmkz_ninja ,

You aren't wrong, but I'm hoping for more institutional changes to the way we determine what helps the next generation learn.

balderdash9 ,
@balderdash9@lemmy.zip avatar

I can try to make the material interesting and be engaging but if you're watching Overwatch on your phone all of that is a moot point.

https://lemmy.zip/pictrs/image/8492d076-ffaf-4ad5-a29f-27d31855cc63.webp

JokeDeity ,

OP take a look back at this in about 5-10 years and realize how monumentally ignorant it is.

kmkz_ninja ,

I just wanted to be able to listen to my music while doing work.

Nobsi ,

"oh no i cannot play on my phone, how could school be so cruel"

EvokerKing ,

I actually doubt that phones are the major reason for a post like this. There are many reasons that you could fill in that only happen to some schools but phones happen to be the only one that applies to nearly every school. For example, at my school, our lunches have been cut down to shit 15 minutes at most, and if you buy lunch, it's much less. We usually have them call 5 minutes left. Sometimes they will say the kitchen is closed, sometimes they can't because people are still ordering.

iemgus ,

One thing I miss about reddit is that I could just filter out r/teenagers

ShranTheWaterPoloFan ,

What would you prefer the school do?

How could they motivate you to actually pay attention in class instead of playing with your phone? Honestly ask yourself if this "addressing motivation" would make geometry more interesting than tiktok.

cabbagee ,

Well said. Social media is designed specifically to hold attention and encourage addictive behavior. There's no way to compete.

electrogamerman ,

In one episode of hannah montanna they use a song and dance to learn about the skeleton bones. I still remember the song after like 10 years, lol

_number8_ ,

not treat students like indentured servants? productively encourage them to pay attention instead of imposing austere zero tolerance policies? do you really think that people in ancient greece paid attention to every second of lecture because there weren't any phones?

could you, yes you, in your day to day life, handle being forced to go through school again? to learn something new every hour of every weekday and being given obligatory deadlines, not even being paid for the work, having to be there at like 7:30am, having even less control over your personhood and freedom just a few years after being born?

school didn't have to suck as much as it did.

BCsven ,

Sounds like everyday work life

5redie8 ,

This is how work operates, except I'm there for two more hours.

kmkz_ninja ,

You can quit work, and you have rights. Children have neither.

Packopus ,

It's always rude to not listen. So phones should not be allowed during class.

However, It's rude not to allow breaks, growth, emergencies, and the fact that they are in fact, kids. They should be allowed to socialize, enjoy youth, and understand hierarchy/respect. So to earn respect, you must respect first.

Let the kids have their phones/computers as that is the modern world we live in. They will have technology. Don't discourage it just because some people learned "you won't always have a calculator in your pocket". Well, now you do, so rather than ban it, teach them to USE IT!!! Just... properly.

Adapt the teaching, not the class.

hoodatninja ,
@hoodatninja@kbin.social avatar

I mean it kind of needs to be both. But it’s hard to find a compelling reason why kids need their smartphones fully accessible during class.

Mudface ,

Schools should just be one huge faraday cage. Kids have to learn to focus and pay attention.

And they need to learn the curriculum

hoodatninja ,
@hoodatninja@kbin.social avatar

I mean I’m not that extreme lmao that’s also a safety issue. Kids will be kids, they will not sit quietly all school day and be total lesson sponges lol

Mudface ,

Of course not, but I think we should at least act as if they should.

Knowing it’s not possible, though.

My kids are in 5th, 3rd and 1st grade. I wouldn’t want them on their phones during class as they grow up.

hoodatninja ,
@hoodatninja@kbin.social avatar

Like I said prior, I don’t think kids should be on their phones either.

FlexibleToast ,

How much of a safety issue would it really be? Cell phones didn't really become a thing for my age range until high school. If there was an emergency, there was a landline in the classrooms.

justhach ,
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Right? Somehow schools survived until at least the 2010s without every kid having a cellphone in them at all times.

kmkz_ninja ,

Ban pocket calculators because the abacus exists. Lazy kids aren't learning how to do arithmetic because of them.

ridethisbike ,

No, but the attention span kids have these days seem to be shortening. Phones and the current state of social media intake doesn't help.

That said, a faraday cage is absolutely too far, but they don't need their phones when they should be focusing on the course.

hoodatninja ,
@hoodatninja@kbin.social avatar

No, but the attention span kids have these days seem to be shortening.

I hear this a lot but have yet to see evidence/sources from anyone. It’s just “look around you.” I don’t find it particularly compelling. I didn’t exactly sit quietly as a kid myself.

user224 ,
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Well, you can quickly search up some information. I don't remember what it was, but I remember that once in middle school teacher said something I wasn't quite sure about, but also I wouldn't ask if I wasn't more sure. So I looked it up, seeing that I was right, I asked if it rather wasn't meant to be that other thing, he checked too and indeed he was wrong.

Also, my mind often wanders off. And it may happen that I suddenly can't remember something. Could just be some word I could look up on my phone in less than a minute. Option B: Keep thinking about it till the rest of the class. I can't stop thinking about that until I either remember or find it.

Next, spine. I am currently in high school. Phones are allowed here. Any time. So, I utilized my scanner and digitized one 500 or so page book I couldn't find on the internet, and then used it as PDF instead of a physical book. It is less likely that I would forget my phone. I wish schools would have options for e-ink tablets instead of having to carry many heavy physical books. That used to be problem mostly in elementary school and middle school. Same goes for note taking.

Obviously, the last example can be easily solved by modernization.

Fast talking teachers. I can't write that fast. I mean, I can, but then I can't decipher my handwriting, which is already hard anyway. Voice recorder is a quick solution. Obviously, it is easier to look through notes than audio, but IT IS NOT MEANT TO BE A REPLACEMENT FOR NOTES, just a help.

But do take that with a pinch of salt. Especially in elementary school, I used to be one of those weird kids who greatly preferred being liked by the teacher over having friends. So even though I had a phone at the time, I never used it during classes because teachers disliked it.

But at least during breaks it should be allowed. Otherwise kids will find much more dangerous ways to entertain themselves.

braxy29 ,

... yes, my phoneless childhood was super dangerous. it's amazing i survived a couple of decades without one!

user224 ,
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I mean, comparing class with active kids throwing stuff around and ones just sitting and playing on their phones, I'd take the second. Cyber bullying may be hard to detect though, but it's not like schools care either way.

hoodatninja ,
@hoodatninja@kbin.social avatar

If you want to teach kids how to look up information, you can create spaces for that. They don’t need unrestricted access to their smart phones to accomplish that throughout the day. Hell you can relax your policies as they grow up and show the maturity to handle having a smart phone in the classroom. If schools want to do that, I am all in favor of it. But they would have to start early and build a system, which is a lot to ask of already overworked educators.

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