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JealousCactus ,

Fidel Castro is morally superior to every US president.

AdmiralShat ,

Prepare for the 14year Olds on hexbear to come in and pretend that China has a great government

BigNote ,

You know, that actually makes sense. 14-year-olds. It would explain a lot about hexbears.

randint ,
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Yeah, the Chinese government is totally very democratic and is receptive to the criticism of its citizens! They never censor words and topics they don't like on their social media platforms!

ThereRisesARedStar ,

OP determining whether to believe the US about socialist movements

us-foreign-policy

Also look up double genocide theory and stop trivializing the holocaust by calling communists fascists.

mexicancartel ,

OP is not calling communists fascists. OP is calling the dictators pretending to be communist, fascists!

ThereRisesARedStar ,

The initial meme included basically all communist countries, they mean communists.

Also which communist countries had dictators again?

mexicancartel ,

The initial meme included basically all communist countries

This meme is against the initial meme.

Also which communist countries had dictators again?

China, North Korea

ThereRisesARedStar ,

This meme is against the initial meme.

The initial meme made fun of being against those countries as a socialist. This meme is against that idea. Ergo...

China, North Korea

When?

mexicancartel ,

When?

Always has been. Government taking control of every action of citizens is dictatorship. Theese people have total power of the country

.....Ergo...

What??

ThereRisesARedStar ,

Always has been. Government taking control of every action of citizens is dictatorship. Theese people have total power of the country

The DPRK and China both don't have parties that are in any way capable of controlling every action of their citizenry. They both have massive grassroots democratic institutions. Hell, look up whole process peoples democracy and the taean work system.

what

The initial meme made fun of being against those countries as a socialist. This meme is against that idea. Ergo... the meme is against all those socialist countries.

xor ,

no way you're trying to pretend like dprk is a free country...

go ask some refugees what it's like

aaaaaaadjsf ,
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Very interesting how all those "pretend socialists" only exist in the third world, and all the "real socialists" existin the west. Yet all the successful revolutions have been done in the third world by "pretend socialists", and the so called "real socialists" in the west have accomplished nothing. Their biggest success of the "real socialists" in the west being capitalist welfare states or social democracies that rely on old school imperial relationships to fund their welfare in a select few areas.

No Eurocentrism present to this line of thought here at all...

What do you think of Nelson Mandela OP? He was a very good leader, right? You know that he considered Cuba an ally and supported their revolution as Cuba sent troops to fight against the apartheid government in the border wars, took inspiration from Mao and called the Chinese revolution a miracle, thanked the Soviets for giving unending support in the fight against apartheid while receiving the a Lenin Peace Prize? So is Nelson Mandela now a fascist according to your meme?

somename ,

Cuba is a beacon of progress and humanity in the Americas. Fidel Castro was a hero. Also a pro at dodging the CIA's kill squads.

asuka ,
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Cuba did some good things - in education, in medicine - but if it's such a wonderful country, why is everything there a decaying flashback to the 1950s where everything is falling apart?

CloutAtlas ,

Lmao, that's a testament to communist Cuba's success. No other form of government could withstand a US embargo for a year and not collapse. Cuba has withstood for DECADES and has surpassed the US in life expectancy. The buildings are kinda shabby, but homelessness, infant mortality, illiteracy are all LOWER than the US, the richest country in the history of the world.

ChestRockwell ,
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What's your opinion on Cuba OP?

ShranTheWaterPoloFan ,

Cuba is an interesting one.

The problems with Cuba are political prisoners and their handling of AIDS. And a huge chunk of issues intertwined with the trade embargo.

As with all nations, it could be better, but it's far from the worst nation in the world.

somename ,

Better than the US that's for sure.

ShranTheWaterPoloFan ,

Each year around a 100,000 Cubans are willing to risk their lives for a chance to live in the US.

The US is far from perfect, but people don't get on rafts hoping to make it to Cuba.

brain_in_a_box ,

"Rich country good, poor country bad!"

Very astute political analysis there LIB

ShranTheWaterPoloFan ,

Notice how when confronted with facts the hexbear has no real argument but assumes being obnoxious is the same as making a coherent argument.

Cuban refugees carry a higher level of risk than other countries, and yet they still come. Ignoring facts doesn't make a country better. You wouldn't let a fact like that slide from the US. Hexbears lack intellectual honesty.

brain_in_a_box ,

So once again, your argument is "rich country good, poor country bad"

ShranTheWaterPoloFan ,

No, it's that saying one place is worse doesn't make it so.

Human development index and quality of life studies put the US ahead of Cuba. Cuba isn't a hellhole that many people make it out to be, but that doesn't automatically make it better than the US.

Cuba has better healthcare and lower cost of living, but Americans aren't on rafts to Cuba.

One of the problems with enacting good and lasting change in the western world is that life is pretty darn good on the whole. It could be a lot better, but just shouting that the US is bad is mindless propagada. Be better than that.

brain_in_a_box ,

No, it's that saying one place is worse doesn't make it so.

Correct, you saying Cuba is worse doesn't make it so.

Human development index and quality of life studies put the US ahead of Cuba

"Rich country good, poor country bad"

Cuba has better healthcare and lower cost of living, but Americans aren't on rafts to Cuba.

"Rich country good, poor country bad"

One of the problems with enacting good and lasting change in the western world is that life is pretty darn good on the whole.

Yes, because the West ruthlessly exploits the global south to prop of it's own standards of living. This is why serious socialist revolutions have mostly only occurred in the Global South.

It could be a lot better, but just shouting that the US is bad is mindless propagada. Be better than that.

Real bad faith framing of your opponents argument there; be better than that.

ShranTheWaterPoloFan ,

Real bad faith framing of your opponents argument there; be better than that.

Like trying to reframe my argument as "rich country good, poor country bad"?

I've mentioned statistics, I've mentioned a human angle and I've been upfront about what ways Cuba is better than the US. You've tried to dismiss my argument by misrepresenting it. This level of insecurity shows how shallow your beliefs are.

brain_in_a_box ,

Like trying to reframe my argument as "rich country good, poor country bad"?

No reframing needed, that was just your argument.

You've tried to dismiss my argument by misrepresenting it.

So what exactly is your argument?

This level of insecurity shows how shallow your beliefs are.

Lol, what anime did you crib this line from?

ShranTheWaterPoloFan ,

The hexbear is so afraid of introspection and thoughtful consideration of their beliefs they lash out.

brain_in_a_box ,

Is that from the same anime as your last line?

u_die_for_elmer Bot ,

Tankies forget that Trotsky existed.

WittyProfileName2 ,
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The fact that you think Trotsky would've been less authoritarian than Stalin betrays that you don't know shit about him yourself.

mustardman ,

I'm glad you could enlighten us with a post that doesn't bother to explain anything.

WittyProfileName2 ,
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Why would the Commissar of Military and Naval affairs under Lenin, who was instrumental in founding the red army and oversaw the purging of Mahknovists and other anarchist elements in the early USSR be less authoritarian than Stalin?

cynetri ,

Even alternatehistoryhub, infamous youtuber known for his weird conservative takes, came to this conclusion

Tankiedesantski ,

Even a stupid person known for their insane takes would agree with your conclusion?

Damn, that sounds like bullet proof reasoning. Sorry for doubting you.

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