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labbbb ,

ProtonMail was not even against cooperation with the RuSSian terrorist government, and this post was still downvoted, funny.

Have you already decided whether privacy is important to you or not?

ebits21 ,
@ebits21@lemmy.ca avatar

My understanding is that the email is encrypted still so… they hand over the encrypted data which might be useless.

(CEO did a podcast this week for a Linux podcast)

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    sqgl ,

    I thought the email body is e2e encrypted nowadays by default(?)

    sqgl ,

    I suppose they now keep logs of their VPN service too then.

    ReakDuck ,

    Swiss law doesnt allow complying with VPN services afaik.

    ProtonVPN and ProtonMail are completely seperate too.

    sqgl ,

    Do you mean the law doesn't allow forcing the VPN service to comply with VPN log requests by authorities?

    And what do you mean by "completely separate"?

    Proton VPN... is operated by the Swiss company Proton AG, the company behind the email service Proton Mail.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton_VPN

    Romain_Ty ,

    @sqgl @ReakDuck
    From what I understood :
    Under Swiss laws, VPN providers are not forced to log anything.
    They also can't comply with orders coming from a foreign country if not approved by Swiss authorities.
    If someone is put under surveillance, he/she have to know that.

    However, always remind that that's just the law, not what is technically possible. If you're considered as a real threat for an important country, neither Switzerland or any country will protect you.

    shortwavesurfer ,

    My threat model is not LE, its google, facebook, etc. If me using privacy services happens to make LE's job harder well thats just the cherry on top.

    ReversalHatchery ,

    At the same time it's also important that the provider only complies with requests where it legally has to. I trust Proton to act this way.

    JokerProof ,

    The article is actually pretty balanced. Yes Proton is secure and private, but if you're hiding from law enforcement, don't expect a third party to take the fall for you.

    Vendetta9076 ,
    @Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works avatar

    If you're hiding from the LEOs in any real way you sure as fuck aren't using email.

    independantiste ,
    @independantiste@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Idk for most people, but the reason I use proton mail is to avoid google parsing everything I receive to send me ads. I "have nothing to hide" on a legal pov, I'm not a criminal, the worst offence I do is like Jay walking or crossing at a red light on foot when there is no one at midnight. I don't use proton services to protect myself from the law (or in other words to avoid the consequences of my acts), I just want to be a customer instead of a product.

    M500 ,

    YOU JAY WALK!?

    You are a disgrace!!! How do you sleep with yourself?

    DISGUSTING!

    /s

    But that’s a really great point. It’s easy to thinking of your threat model as all or nothing. And you are right. I’m not hiding from the law. I’m hiding from advertisers. If the government acquires my information then it was a mistake on their part as there is nothing there to find other than emails from my bank.

    Fluid ,
    @Fluid@aussie.zone avatar

    This exactly. This is the audience for proton mail, and their success while sticking to this model is hope for us all

    Onii-Chan ,

    This is exactly why I use Proton as well. I'm not worried about law enforcement, I just want Google and other big tech's tentacles out of my fucking business. I don't want to be advertised to.

    xilliah ,
    @xilliah@beehaw.org avatar

    Well I'm a customer and I think it's fine if the requests are legitimate. The question then of course is what is legitimate.

    belated_frog_pants ,

    Its always about petty shit like piracy. You'd wish it was all them catching CSAM creators but thats a sliver of it. They'd be catching more rich dudes if it was.

    beta_tester ,

    Tldr: Yes, still secure and private.

    DARbarian ,
    @DARbarian@lemmy.world avatar

    What are they supposed to do as an internationally known and used company? Reject legal proceedings and ignore official national laws?

    crandlecan ,

    Change their advertising

    DARbarian ,
    @DARbarian@lemmy.world avatar

    How though? They advertsize themselves as the privacy-conscious Google alternative which they very much are. Idk if I've just not been exposed to (their) ads, but do they make all kinds of unreasonable claims like being outside of all legal jurisdiction?

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