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simple ,
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With that in mind we are announcing updates that will go into effect before Recall (preview) ships to customers on June 18.

I doubt they can do much with last-minute changes. It being opt-in is better, at least.

our review units of the new Surface hardware are being delayed by a week or so, presumably so Microsoft can update them.

GROAAAAAAAN. I just want to see proper benchmarks of Qualcomm's new chips and they keep delaying it despite the laptops releasing later this month.

MudMan ,
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Yeah, right? The biggest bummer of this entire stupid thing that should never have existed is that it's overshadowing perhaps the most exciting hardware launch on Windowsland since the original Surface. I am VERY interested in seeing if Windows on ARM is viable this time, and as a longtime Windows 2-in-1 user I am incredibly excited about the prospect of a similarly performant version that doesn't need to be plugged in basically at all times.

But because MS can't come up with a feature without shooting itself in the foot with a bazooka we're all here talking about the stopgap they had to implement to save face while they wait to be able to quietly kill this dumb thing for good. I swear, they are incredibly bad at this.

simple ,
@simple@lemm.ee avatar

The average person doesn't even know that new hardware is coming because the only thing MS is advertising is "AI AI AI AI AI AI AI". Is that seriously more appealing than saying "hey our new laptops have better performance and 2x more battery life than older laptops"? Because I'm feeling the latter is what they should've leaned on.

MudMan , (edited )
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I'm torn about the marketing, because a) MS clearly wants to own "AI", and they do have the cheapest, best version of multimodal chat at the moment, and b) I do think to normies it's more marketable than "we did the MacBook Air, finally".

On the other hand, I 100% agree with you that I give zero craps about their stupid certification for 40 TOPS on laptops. I already own things with GPUs in them and I use very little in the way of LLMs or image generators, and certainly not offline, so the battery life and the matching improvements in weight are THE feature for me.

I mean, it doesn't really matter either way, the market is what it is, and I get to use the devices the same way regardless of how they're marketed, so sell whatever you have to sell. It's still fascinating and kinda sad to witness the self-sabotage, though.

eksb ,
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I feel for the hundreds of engineers at Microsoft who have been yelling about these security issues since day one, but cannot say "I told you so" because they'd get fired.

snekerpimp ,

This is exactly what I was thinking. There are plenty of smart people that work there that would have said something before release. They were told to not rock the boat by the yes men and now Microsoft has to backpedal and pretend no one there thought about THOSE implications.

jordanlund ,
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I survived a similar incident, telling our CEO at the time "you know our product can't do that, right?" I had to show my receipts, present usability studies, and faced incredible pressure, but 2 CEOs later, I'm still here... :)

Document everything. Keep good notes. You never know when it will be useful.

woelkchen ,
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Sure but at Microsoft they fire people based on dice rolls

jordanlund ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Or no dice rolls! "Bad luck, you! Bye!"

thurstylark ,

Cave Johnson intensifies

Vanth , (edited )
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    Spotlight7573 OP , (edited )

    I'm pretty sure the main picture on the article is what the revised opt in/out message looks like. Previously it was opt-out with just a message describing the feature with a check box to have it open Settings when you were finished with the out of box experience so that you can look at the options later.

    Edit: Fixed mention of opt-in to opt-out, thanks tal.

    MudMan ,
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    That's how this works, isn't it? Nobody reads past the headline. Everybody feels about it super strongly, just not strongly enough to actually read about it.

    corbin ,

    This might not be Reddit, but the Reddit behavior is still here.

    phdepressed ,

    Might just be internet/human behavior really.

    0xD ,

    Meatbags gonna meatbag.

    Bimfred ,

    It's not Reddit behavior. It's just the limited capacity we have for dealing with the flood of information we're exposed to. Between that and the daily stresses of work, family and whatever else a given person has going on, there's no time to filter out what is or isn't important, there's no time for nuance or thought, there's only time enough for a knee-jerk reaction before the next aggravating thing comes along.

    corbin ,

    I mean, there's a difference between not reading an article, and several people arguing back and forth over the article that none of them have read. Reddit and Lemmy people do a lot of the latter.

    Bimfred ,

    Cause no one wants to look like the idiot. And when no one has read the article, it's a lot harder to dispute the claims of what the article is about. It's a vicious cycle - someone who hasn't read the actual article makes claims about it, others who also haven't read it react and before you know it, you're ten posts deep, arguing about something that may or may not have happened. All it takes is one person to make an under-informed post and another to pick up on it. The difference between thousands and millions of users affects only the probability of it happening.

    tal ,
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    It was opt out before, not opt in, and you made the changes subsequent to install.

    Spotlight7573 OP ,

    Whoops, I mixed them up. It was definitely opt-out before.

    downpunxx ,
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    "the company says"? and you believe them? why?

    Fiivemacs ,

    Opt in just like Microsoft accounts...right

    einlander ,

    Something something cake day.

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