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Floey , to Comic Strips in Do animals have emotions like us?

That burden of proof doesn't fall on me. I was rebutting your claims that relied on nature and on mechanisms, and explained why the reasoning doesn't hold up. The reason I asked for a study is because if you can't produce an argument on why we couldn't feed animals in a vegan manner then a study that showed poor health outcomes would at least require me to explain how those specific hurdles are solvable.

I completely agree with you that I shouldn't have a cat because I have not done the research on how to feed a cat in a vegan manner, but that's something most people have not done because they simply don't care about feeding a cat in a vegan manner. In my view they should not have cats either.

As for meat grown in a lab, I am fine with it. But ethics aside ultimately I think we shouldn't evaluate food on how natural it is but how provably healthy it is. If we can formulate food that gives cats better health outcomes then we should be feeding them more of that. This is anecdotal, but of the dogs I know through family or friends the ones fed way more plain meat have the worst digestion and I wouldn't be surprised if they died the earliest, but it's hard to talk people out of these naturalistic positions.

Floey , to Comic Strips in Do animals have emotions like us?

When I said study I meant an observational or longitudinal study measuring health outcomes, not a description of the mechanisms at play. Such studies are important to concluding that alternative diets are already nutritional or elucidating the flaws so that they may be addressed.

Don't you think such knowledge of cat digestion would be integrated into feeding a cat in a vegan way? We are incredibly good at synthesizing nutrients these days through both chemical processes and modifying microorganisms or plants. We can produce "higher forms" of things such as vitamin A and D without invoking animal biology, these aren't hypotheticals, such things are already common in the huge supplement and cosmetics industries.

Floey , to Comic Strips in Do animals have emotions like us?

Link to studies please.

Nobody is suggesting we feed cats tofu and spinach. The naturalistic argument and yelling "We don't know!" a bunch really only works if you are proposing we feed cats only raw meat from fresh kills, what they would eat in the wild. Pet food isn't a pet's natural diet, vegan or not, and it all has to be fortified.

I don't believe in such a naturalistic argument though. Humans are able (key word, able, most don't) eat healthier with modern diets. Why would we assume we can't develop food that is just as healthy or even healthier than an animal's natural diet?

Floey , to 196 in 40 Kilobyte Rule

PNG is fine for this. A palletized PNG on max compression would be smaller than the game and totally lossless unlike this. First you gotta take this image and map/quantize it to the original palette though to destroy the JPEG artifacts, which produce colors in between ones that would have existed in the game's output.

Floey , to Comic Strips in Do animals have emotions like us?

When you eat animals you give the market a financial incentive to breed and slaughter more animals, who inevitably have to eat a bunch of plants to grow. It's not that you eating a burger kills a cow, but you eating a burger helps make it financially sound and socially acceptable to murder cows for burgers.

Floey , to Comic Strips in Do animals have emotions like us?

This is bullshit because pet food exists where the proteins are denatured because some animals have serious allergies. Animals can build the proteins they need from the constituent parts. There are surely proteins unique to cats, where do you think they get them, cannibalism? Are you saying veterinarians recommending such products are harming animals?

Also who said I have a cat companion, even if you were 100% correct about what constitutes neglect it would not apply to me. But you're obviously not engaging in good faith and just want someone to paint as a monster. What's really monstrous is we have an industry that brutally harvests billions of sentient creatures every year just to feed ourselves and other animals.

Floey , to Comic Strips in Do animals have emotions like us?

Obligate carnivores in nature. Why do you care if a cat is fed with fortified plant bits vs fortified animal bits? Neither product exists in nature and the cat can live a healthy life on both. Also breeding cats to be pets is completely unnatural, so why are you fine with that?

Floey , to Technology in OpenAI Insider Estimates 70 Percent Chance That AI Will Destroy or Catastrophically Harm Humanity

I didn't think it was a choreographed publicity stunt. I just know Altman has used AI fear in the past to keep people from asking rational questions like "What can this actually do?" He obviously stands to gain from people thinking they are on the verge of agi. And someone looking for a new job in the field also has to gain from it.

As for the software thing, if it's done by someone it won't be openai and megacorporations following in its footsteps. They seem insistent at throwing more data (of diminishing quality) and more compute (an impractical amount) at the same style of models hoping they'll reach some kind of tipping point.

Floey , to Technology in OpenAI Insider Estimates 70 Percent Chance That AI Will Destroy or Catastrophically Harm Humanity

This fear mongering is just beneficial to Altman. If his product is powerful enough to be a threat to humanity then it is also powerful enough to be capable of many useful things, things it has not proven itself to be capable of. Ironically spreading fear about its capabilities will likely raise investment, so if you actually are afraid of openai somehow arriving at agi that is dangerous then you should really be trying to convince people of its lack of real utility.

Floey , to Mildly Infuriating in Lots of times the restaurants won't even have milk

You are paying for way more than the sum of the parts when you order a cocktail, I'm not really sure why you'd suddenly be concerned about doing so when it comes to a mocktail.

Floey , to Comic Strips in I really like this song!

I'm the opposite. Usually listen to full albums and even if I really like one or two songs, if the album sucks otherwise I'm unlikely to listen to them much, if at all.

Floey , to Memes in heehoo peanut

Infinite peanut glitch.

Floey , to Memes in This is the way

Vegetarianism (or in his case pescetarianism) is not inherently reductionarian, so him saying he's become much more vegetarian isn't really meaningful without knowing how much of that land based meat was replaced with fish and cheese. Dairy comes from cattle or other ruminants, just like red meat. Fishing is ravaging the seas like agriculture is ravaging the land.

Floey , to Memes in Pulling it off

L'esprit de l'escalier

Floey , to Memes in This is the way

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