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Jensen Huang says kids shouldn't learn to code — they should leave it up to AI. (www.tomshardware.com)

Jensen Huang says kids shouldn't learn to code — they should leave it up to AI.::At the recent World Government Summit in Dubai, Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang made a counterintuitive break with tech leader wisdom by saying that programming is no longer a vital skill due to the AI revolution.

Rob ,

Leave coding to ai? What does this look like? How does this concept work? any examples?

Or does he mean just let ai handle everything and they don't give the ai any input?? I am no programmer but this just doesn't sound right to me. As a regular user.

Rob ,

I don't know if that's the best example since with an audio book you're still getting the same reading material.

It's more like, kids shouldn't learn how to sing, they should just have ai sing with their voice for them. They'l never know the ins and outs of it, but they'l know what they want it to be like and describe it to the ai.

Rob ,

Maybe Nvidia knows something we don't. Are their any examples of using ai to help code? What is Nvidia specifically referencing to making them say this? I ask these questions because obviously something they are seeing is making them say this.
yet, all I see from ai in general are things like.

Image generation, story generation, some ai can even roleplay a specific story with you that you inputed, but I just can't see ai doing actual coding, without over simplifying it and making it boring and less different from the next 'creation.'

Rob ,

How does the use of ai tools specifically sell Nvidia hardware? it could help sell other hardware as well. They don't specify any specific ai software that might be exclusive to Nvidia hardware or anything like that. That at the surface doesn't make much sense to me.

Rob ,

Makes sense, but you still have to think about the plot, climax and stuff related to the story as the ai reads it to you.

With ai the idea is they take away all the thinking and I think it will get to a point where you can ask an ai to sing a song with your voice and you won't have to put in any effort whatsoever. Or you can tell ai to sing a song about a trending topic with your voice and you not knowing anything about it and still generating clicks and ad revenue.

Rob OP ,

Unlike on Google search, if you see a bot on Lemmy, or Mastodon, you can just block the bot and never see them again. Follow accounts/communities you trust to be reliable for finding info on various topics to eliminate the chances of running into the bots (since you more likely will be looking at your following feed.)

I wish seo would make the web more lively again but I just see them as a lost cause, and the Fediverse as the better future.

Rob OP ,

One thing Search engines are good for looking for stores like Aldi's, or Best buy and seeing the type of stuff they sell before you shop there. But if you're looking for anything opinionated, or from real people from *all backgrounds seach engines are becoming less and less of that as they use to be back in the 2008's-2013's

Rob OP ,

Good point. While Search Engines do have their place and uses. My issue isn't with the idea of the search engine itself but with seo deciding what resualts show up or will never show up regardless of the quality of the source. A lot of it goes against the open internet.

Rob OP , (edited )

if more people used the Fediverse and inputed information overtime, it would get to that level and it would less likely just become another seo situation because it isn't centralized. Even right now, on Lemmy you can find more specific things for anything that is available then Google would give you even if if was available to them to give if it doesn't meet their seo standards.

Rob OP ,

The difference is I can enjoy some popcorn, seo takes the enjoyment out of most of everything if not everything.

Rob OP ,

My alternative is to deliver what people are actually saying on the search engine based off of what a user searches. Not just a handful of special outlets that know they are hand picked and take advantage of their position.

Rob OP ,

I'm not as worried about the decline of truth, but rather the decline of the open web. Google is favoring it's search engine for a few. Sites such as Quara, Reddit, cnn always get top resualts. It's never anyone else unless specifically searched for. If you don't specifically search for them others never get heard on Google search.

Rob OP ,

That is what we are missing. The Fediverse makes searching by keyword so simply easy, with it being decentralized, this feature will be preserved as long that people developing the Mastodon's and the Lemmy's keep supporting it. If they don't you won't ever actually lose that feature you would likely have to join another platform like Firefish, or Sharkey and search the Fediverse that way if something like this were to happen. This is why I still stand with the Fediverse being better for the longer term than Google as a search engine.

Rob OP ,

Maybe, care to elaborate your purposes.

Typically I might search for something specific like an answer to a question, and maybe or maybe not it shows up in a Google search. Or I might just search for a specific website which 9 times out of 10 it will show up.

The main problem I see with both Google and Duckduckgo is,
Sometimes if I just search for information, some sites will show up and others just won't. So because of this you may be missing out on helpful and relevant information that just isn't seo friendly enough.

Rob OP ,

Like on Mastodon, I can search for information on Google, Duckduckgo and you'l see all the latest human input on these topics that's available. Whether you search for hashtags or for posts specifically.

Or on Lemmy, you can search for posts or literally entire communities dedicated to what you are looking for.

When I say the Fediverse, I'm talking about as a whole, when you are searching for posts, and the like. The Fediverse will generally strive to actually show you everything that's available. It's a step from forward from what the modern search engine provides it's users.

Do search engines have some advantages, sure, but are they hindered severely by seo, also yes. To the point that any advantages a Google search could have just isn't worth it.

Rob OP ,

That's a price to pay to have a free internet.

If bots are an issue, and I believe it can be sometimes, you could try suggesting to Lemmy developers to invest into bot protection for the platform. Also, the instance maintainers themselves.

Rob OP ,

Use Google maps, or something like that. You wouldn't need a search engine for that or even the Fediverse.

Rob OP ,

By using say Mastodon, it is federated with other instances that focus on certian things and people posts about said things. You can search from Mastodon posts and even beyond Mastodon to other platforms that are using using Activity pub. and vice versa.

Because of this you will have more independent control rather than one company controlling the flow of everything. With Google everything goes by Google. With Duckduckgo everything goes by Bing and Duckduckgo. With Mastodon, whatever you see goes by various Mastodon server criteria.

Rob OP ,

I understand that Google has a lot of data to shift through, and that maybe the Fediverse probably can't do everything it does.
When a user tries to search for certain things it's like Google goes out of it's way to hide it. I guess what I am trying to say is the Fediverse is best for finding discussion, and up to date topics, and opinions from more voices. When it comes to local stuff, I would probably use Google maps or something like that just so I can say I don't need a search engine for that, but that's just me when it comes to local searches.

If one server were to get too big and do ads and all that, guess what, it's not like with Youtube for example where that's your only option you can just switch your instance and you won't be censored you just won't show up on that corrupted instance. The fact that the Fediverse is decentralized and federated absolutely will prevent this from being as bad as it was with the og old internet.

The reason Facebook took over was essentially the fact that it was it's own platform, and you couldn't communicate with your friends from that old forum site.

When one or 5 servers get to a certain size I would assume some instance would bloc some of the largest instances, but would still be usable as other servers it could still federate with. The Fediverse designed to combat this, while the old internet, really had no plans to combat this. Sure it thought well for people it just wasn't built to give people enough power to avoid bigger instances and still have success and activity.

Rob OP ,

I understand that Google has a lot of data to shift through, and that maybe the Fediverse probably can't do everything it does.
When a user tries to search for certain things on a search engine it's like Google goes out of it's way to hide a lot of it.

I guess what I am trying to say is the Fediverse is best for finding discussion, and up to date topics, and opinions from more voices instead of the few that gain the seo system. When it comes to local stuff, I would probably use Google maps or something like that just so I can say I don't need a search engine for that, but that's just me when it comes to local searches.

If one server were to get too big and do ads and all that, guess what, it's not like with Youtube for example where that's your only option you can just switch your instance and you won't be censored you just won't show up on that corrupted instance. The fact that the Fediverse is decentralized and federated absolutely will prevent this from being as bad as it was with the og old internet.

The reason Facebook took over was essentially the fact that it was it's own platform, and you couldn't communicate with your friends from that old forum site from Facebook.

When one or 5 servers get to a certain size I would assume some instances would block some of the largest instances, but would still be usable as it could still federate with other instances. The Fediverse designed to combat this type of thing, while the old internet, really had no way to combat this. Sure it thought well for people it just wasn't built to give people enough power to avoid bigger sites from controlling and censoring the entirety of what is said online and still have success and activity.

While email was federated, it was also commercial in most used cases. Actually email itself hasn't really had any big take over or monopoly and emails seem to send even to this day from smaller email services to larger email services. So this seems to prove that federation can prevent what you seem to be claiming if people make the right steps with the tools they have.

Rob OP ,

I really mean, not getting rid of search engine services as they were originally intended to be used, but ultimately rather getting rid of as they are used against smaller sites today and preferring select sites.

Idk if Maps uses the same search engine as Google, if not while I agree maps uses a search engine, to search the info stored on it or that the user searches for, mostly what's stored on maps, I think is stored on one server dedicated to maps or perhaps multiple servers being a Google. It's not like it's picking sites and services to get it from, it's data they collected for sure but it's all stored on that service as I understand it.

The Facebook bit was really to address the potential take over of the Fediverse which since it's built to litterally protect users from just that, sure it won't help everyone who is ignorant to how the Fediverse works, but if you do know how it works you can still free yourself and jump to another instance using the exact same familiar interface on whatever platform you are using on the fediverse, like Mastodon. Also newer platforms on the Fediverse will also show up with their own servers seperated from Mastodon or Lemmy so things will be refreshioned again and again when new Platforms arrive. Most of them being open source also means no one can really buy out Mastodon or Lemmy just like that it just doesn't work like that.

Rob OP ,

You are correct. I don't mean to really replace the search engine in it's entirety, i'm really just talking about the modern search engine and how tragic seo is for smaller sites and variety.

Searx would be an example of a good search engine, or metager possibly and others like those. So that's really where I am coming from.

Rob OP ,

I was thinking about the long term but I am open to seo getting better and being proven long.

Rob OP ,

Sometimes a user might feel like so abour search engines with the way seo is handling things, but I am open to being wrong about search engines for ever being irrelevant if seo improves their tactics for the users, and not just a small percent of investors and companies. As I see it they are irrelevant, but you could probably still use them for a few things, but that's only as usable as the seo criterea.

Rob OP ,

The search engine basically looks for seo complying sites and pushes them to the top with their algorithm, so search engines do use it, and so do users to push their sites to the top of resualts.

Rob OP , (edited )

I wanted to add some extra context that I feel some commentators are missing and it could be my fault for not being as specific.

The reason I think search engines are becoming more irrelevant is because seo, it isn't like the year of 2010 where you would find more relevant resualts as easily.

If you read the title and the actual og post contents, you would find out i'm really just ranting about seo.

I did mention in the comments a few times that i'm not necessarily against search engines as they were originally intended to be used, but what seo has become for the modern search engine. Because of that, that is why search engines are becoming irrelevant to me.

So it isn't the issue with search engines at the surface, I do understand how they work, it's rather, what they had become on the inside behind the scenes with seo.

Rob ,

This shouldn't had been an issue in Windows 10, having 11 look as slick, but force rebooting to update. Why is it still like this? Why is it forced to auto update? Why doesn't Linux or Chromeos force auto updates? Sure you have to reboot Chromebook but it's manual rebooting not forced auto rebooting.

Rob ,

If Microsoft actually pulls this off I can finally stop using 3rd party firewalls to avoid the forced reboots! Revolutionary on Windows part. Meanwhile on Linux. They already know the assignment. (generally)

Rob ,

Google is aware of the situation and suposibly working on it.

Rob ,

Very true. It was their intention. I hope Google can atleast give whites some resonable amount of representation because surely whites should get some amount of playtime not just next to nothing on the ai.

Rob ,

I don't think this is new I experienced this happening last year seemingly on certian searches.

Rob ,

probally has to do with a future plan to not pay for news content.

In order for Google to improve profitability they targeted adblockers and adblockers in 3rd party browsers.

If my prediction isn't too far off, countries that enforce laws forcing Google to pay to the news may not get news at all or *very limited.

Rob ,

Try adding redditcat the end of your searches, I heard that improves search quality on Google.

Rob ,

That is probally why. As more and more countries stack up more news tax for the tech companies. People seem to forget that news is optional for them, and shouldn't take that for granted.

Google search doesn't need news, Facebook doesn't need it, why would they want to pay for it?

Rob ,

I hadn't used any anti virus in about 8 years. Being on Linux and Chromeos mostly on the pc side and using Fdroid opensource apps and the few big apps needed from PlayStore.

Rob ,

How to stay private online without needing avast.

  1. Use open source/offline apps.
    Only use others apps if you just have to.

  2. If you're navigating websites or servers, where it is located mostly will influence the privacy. How you may ask?

Some countries have specific laws and restrictions what sites and apps can collect or even do. Figure out which ones align in your favor and use sites and servers located in those places.

Rob ,

If it works it works.

Google apologizes for ‘missing the mark’ after Gemini generated racially diverse Nazis (www.theverge.com)

Google apologizes for ‘missing the mark’ after Gemini generated racially diverse Nazis::Google says it’s aware of historically inaccurate results for its Gemini AI image generator, following criticism that it depicted historically white groups as people of color.

Rob , (edited )

I'm all for letting people of all backgrounds having an equal work/representation opportunity but this ai went too far.

What I am against is taking official / past figures such as u.s presidents and race swapping them. These are real people who were white. Sorry if it offends someone but that's just how it was.

At this point we are putting dei even over who use to govern the u.s as offical presidents? Why? Who does this help? If anything you make people with legit purposes hate dei more by doing this. Imagine if they did that to president Obama people would be sticking it to Google 10 times harder then they are now.

Rob ,

I can't speak much about my opinion on a person, as it might a be off topic of the original post and b start controversy for either side of politics.

Sure some people can be controversal, but to have something like gemini and to seemingly go out of their way to just not generate a persons appearance traits accurately. Not the most proffesional look.

Although, if a user were to ask for a raceswap of a historical president I would be ok with that if that's something they inputed that they wanted.

Rob ,

Let me answer your first question by reversing it back at you If Barack Obama was historocally black should a black person be able to play as him. I believe so. This should be the same for all real life historical figures. If you want more diversity create new characters to fill the void. If the new characters are good people will love them.

In film industry I feel that may be different since a made up story generally in alot of these shows and movies. So if they changed something it isn't the biggest deal to me because it wasn't meant to be taken seriosly rather meant for entertainment.

My argument was actually for real life historical figures to be represented more properly because this isn't just about diversity in jobs and entertainment anymore, your changing real life history regarding governments, militaries and presidents and etc. And this wasn't done just to u.s figures by Gemini.

I do agree ai can make mistakes and isn't perfect. Shouldn't be used as real life context all the time but from Google sometimes you just expect better.

Rob ,

I disagree with that, because Barack was actually black so he should be depicted as such despite how people feel because that is how his appearence was.

Rob ,

Yes.

Rob ,

I get that money can be tight but to avoid such situation (at a personal level) regarding piracy. things to note.

  1. don't talk/post about how that you pirated any media, or face potential legal risks.

  2. movies companies might not like it yet it's not illegal to tell people how to pirate a movie. Don't hint that you did it yourself though.

  3. Reddit doesn't have to provide any info to them, i'm assuming the film companies wanted the scoop from Reddit for free. What if they pay Reddid? who knows..

Rob , (edited )

Is this actually true? They all seem hooked on their Smartphones and Nintendo Switches playing Animal Crossing.

There might be some that like the *aesthetic of the landline phones to it but I don't currently believe its many. Atleast not many would use it in their daily lives.

Rob ,

There is that too.

Rob ,

Yes, Google isn't getting rid of tracking in it's entirety, they're just getting rid of the tracking competition on the Chrome browser. And no one has the guts to make their own commercial browser to stick it to Google and their monopoly, all we really have are open source browsers. Even Edge has to be open source to an extent since they borrow from Chromium.

I wouldn't go so far as to just assume that all younger gen people aren't tech savvy. I guess it would just depend on the person and how casual or into tech they really are.

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