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db0 OP , 18 days ago

Yes, but that is such a more realistic criticism of anarchist structure, than "lol chaos and bombs" that it's still refreshing to see.

db0 OP , 18 days ago

Yea man, those people just sit on the floor and die. Fuck outa here.

db0 OP , 18 days ago

I didn't see you poke any holes. Just watched you burn a red herring strawman.

db0 OP , 18 days ago

You can bloviate theoretically all you want, but practically, as it has played out since its inception, this is how capitalism works. This is the only way capitalism works. Very simply because those who do not grow endlessly, are consumed by those who do.

db0 OP , 18 days ago

Also counterpoint: cops are not antifascist so the OP just made a completely irrelevant comment.

db0 OP , 18 days ago

While there's some truth to that, I want to see self-love stop a fascist pogrom.

db0 , 18 days ago

This is really funny to me because Google ruined their own search engine for advertising purposes; so much so that they now need to add "AI" to it to look good and hip again. Only if the "AI" results are actually good, it will hurt their advertising revenue, and it's not quite so simple to tweak it the same way they cooked their search algorithms to serve you more ads, plus it will burn an ungodly amount of money to process each request. And if it's bad, they'll have wasted billions on it and will ruin their reputation even worse.

db0 , 22 days ago

You get a declarative config with ansible so long as you also reinstall the system every time. That's how it's meant to work professionals in an immutable setup. The power of ansible is that you can also use it as mutable on an existing infrastructure or on firewalls and stuff. It's power is it's flexibility to be do anything.

db0 OP , 25 days ago

That one deserves a repost in leftymemes!

db0 , 1 month ago

Thinks there can be such a thing as "free markets"

db0 , 1 month ago

I love bringing up externalities when talking to capitalism bootlickers ancaps and see them fumble

db0 , 1 month ago

It's not that their reasoning is a black box. It's that they do not have reasoning! They just guess what the next word in the sentence is likely to be.

db0 OP , 1 month ago

By that argument, the American revolution shouldn't have happened either. It's patently absurd to claim all revolutions always lead to the same results.

db0 OP , 1 month ago

Removing a foreign occupier through violent revolution actually has a pretty good track record, yes (markedly different from destroying an unjust domestic system through violent revolution.)

You realize that Britain was not a "foreign occupier" at that point, yes? Likewise, most liberal democracies you have now are results of revolutions against the monarchies. Exactly how do you think the world changed from monarchic feudalism to capitalist democracy? Magic? The Kings abdicated because they were all just nice people?

Which one are you advocating for within the meme?

You're in an anarchist server talking to an anarchist. Take a wild guess :D

db0 OP , 1 month ago

Fair point but you know what I meant

db0 OP , 1 month ago

You can’t destroy a system billions of people depend on without killing billions of people. We need to learn to not depend on it first.

Don't be so absolute. You can destroy capitalism very well without destroying the people within it.

db0 OP , 1 month ago

My point is that the system of having people physically on one side of the ocean making decisions for the people on the other side, with no pretense of it being fair or justified or representation for people from the New World, makes violent overthrow a lot more unavoidable. [...]

There are different responses appropriate to different levels of oppression. Violent overthrow of a monarchy is often the only way. [...]

Well I'm glad that you're so adept at moving the goalposts to fit the things you consider good, but that's just what it is. All of these were revolutions. If they worked, an anarchist one can work just as well.

Of course, it’s easy and surface-persuasive to say “destroy the system and things will be better” and keep the rest of it vague. Once you start getting into details is where you run into the oh shit it’s actually not that simple factor.

If you're honestly willing to learn about anarchism, I can link you to things, but there's no point if you're here just to argue.

db0 OP , 1 month ago

The absolute best place to start imho is an anarchist faq. It goes into length into what anarchism is, what we believe and how we act on it

This section elaborates more on voting specifically: https://www.anarchistfaq.org/afaq/sectionJ.html#secj23

This section elaborates about revolution: https://www.anarchistfaq.org/afaq/sectionJ.html#secj71

db0 OP , 1 month ago

Not every revolution has to be an Marxist-Leninist revolution. Nor is the world the same. Not to mention that Capitalism is killing millions per month right now. You're perfectly content to let Capitalism crush millions right now to maintain the benefits you have so you're just a hypocrite on top of being intellectually dishonest by presuming every revolution will lead to totalitarianism.

db0 OP , 1 month ago

I'm not blanket supporting the end results of everything, but the "violence" in those revolutions was initiated by the existing states, not by the people doing the revolution. Read up about it. Almost every time the workers just required the obvious (not to be crushed underfoot) and started seizing factories and farms when life became intolerable, and then the state and the rich brought the police and the army to kill them. Sometimes the end result of the state oppression was people trying to survive and opportunist authoritarian leaders taking power, but not always.

db0 OP , 1 month ago (edited 1 month ago)

Potato potato. From the perspective of the British it certainly destroyed the status quo

db0 OP , 1 month ago

Nobody is saying to destroy civilization.

db0 OP , 1 month ago

Simplifying things, Anarchist praxis is to start building the new world in the shell of the old. We start building org structures we want to have, co-operatives, unions, moneyless exchange systems etc. These things naturally destabilize the existing system until it collapses under its own inherent contradictions, and then these orgs take over seamlessly.

More elaborate: https://www.anarchistfaq.org/afaq/sectionJ.html#secj2

db0 OP , 1 month ago

No naivety involved. This has already happened and been shown to work.

db0 OP , 1 month ago

Spanish Revolution for one.

db0 OP , 1 month ago

That's irrelevant to our topic. It also lasted 3 years

db0 OP , 1 month ago

That's a completely different discussion. I personally don't think it's as easy to declare that such structures are weaker. The Spanish proved that by fighting for 3 years against overwhelming odds. I think the time that revolution happened was really unfortunate, but the same sort of revolution happening at the time where the surrounding nation states are weakened enough to not be able to intervene might have a vastly different result.

But at the end of the day, the destabilization works, so we keep doing it because those orgs are also the most ethical. What happens if and when capitalism collapses is a bridge that every such society crossed when it reached it, and nobody managed to pre-plan how it would go.

db0 OP , 1 month ago

I see someone is not familiar with the act of rhetorical exaggeration...

db0 OP , 1 month ago

So you're not familiar with "trolling" either. Hint someone being sarcastic towards you is not it.

And I know they're right. The libs are indeed full of disingenuous bullshit.

db0 OP , 1 month ago

Yes the famous conservative strain of anarchism /s

db0 OP , 1 month ago

I'm afraid there's nothing more to do here as you have a terminal case of too many too many burgers in your brain

db0 , 1 month ago

yea because not accepting US propaganda and trying to uplift marginalized people and help workers not be trodded upon, is about the same as open fascism, bigotry and constant hate speech /s

db0 , 1 month ago

Claiming that you see these comments everywhere on lemmy, at the scale you see bigotry on Voat, is laughably preposterous. And that is aside the point that these comments are not even as bad as open fascism and hate speech.

db0 , 1 month ago

surprisingly, it's still up. I got demodded under suspicious circumstances and now some of the remaining mods keep doing the unpaid janitorial duties for spez to make couple hundel mil per year.

db0 , 1 month ago

Genocide denial and equating those fighting in a defensive war to Nazis is just as bad as hate speech.

I assure you it is not. One causes active harm to people in online communities and pushes the world toward normalizing fascist tactics, and the other is some terminally online tankie LARPing with no great effect to anything.

USA ignores the worst genocide ever commuted on the world, theirs, and nothing really changes. The rest of the world knows about it.
Israel is committing one right now with the backing of the USA and it this denial is publicized everywhere, whereas hate speech is clearly banned.

db0 OP , 30 days ago

Ah I don't have nearly enough people helping me out (especially with the bureaucratic stuff) haha. It's a struggle trying to start an org on my own to the point that I think it's probably not a workable idea unless I have a lot of people who want to help with the bureaucratic stuff.

db0 OP , 30 days ago

For the record, I've already started. We've been going for a year and a half now in fact , but the process to make this into some sort of entity etc is all on me so I can't do it all