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derin

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derin ,

I use Navidrome myself, and I still think it would be nice for people to know a little bit about the software in an update announcement post.

Seems like a very reasonable request, I don't grok the vitriol in your response.

derin ,

You know what you sounded like.

It's a small text addition for context, not a big ask. Most of these upgrade posts in this community have people asking the same thing, so they can discover new software.

Ultimately, though, it's your choice.

derin ,

You: [ copy pastes link ]

Others: Hey, can you also tell us what that link points towards?

You: wHaT iS tHiS, a BoLsHeViK LaBoR CaMp?

derin ,

This section of the tutorial you followed shows how you enable registration.

This section shows how you add a user.

The official Prosody documentation for adding users and opening registration can be found here.

derin ,

I use Fantastical; pretty decent for an iOS App - if not a bit pricey.

Edit: As an important note, while I've used Fantastical for years, it's really only for the Mac ecosystem so I'm looking to move away from it.

Nowadays Morgen is my Calendar app of choice, but its iOS app isn't feature complete yep. It's fantastic on desktop, though.

derin ,

It's not proprietary, lol. You can download and deploy each of their bridges yourself to your own servers.

Source: been using their WhatsApp, Discord, and Signal bridges for over a year. I use Github sponsors to pay for development, as I appreciate how great they are.

The only closed source part of their stack is their client, which you don't have to use.

Also, they're some of the most prolific contributors to Matrix outside of Element. The emoji picker in Element was literally PR'ed by Tulir.

Love it when folk see people trying to make money off OSS and immediately resort to hysterics. It really makes closed source development look appealing if you're going to be damned by idealogues regardless of whether you release the source or not.

derin ,

Not closed source. It's just a Matrix server instance running their own bridges. All the backend stuff is open source, the only closed source part is their client.

The client is specific to their site and unnecessary: just deploy Synapse, then pick and deploy the bridges of their suite you want to your server. You can then pick and use any of the available Matrix clients to get the same exact features. You can even sponsor them on Github, as I've been doing for months.

derin , (edited )

It's open source, here's the code. It uses the discordgo library to connect to Discord and read your DMs.

e: You're free to download and deploy the source yourself, and write your own ToS. That's the nice part of open source software.

derin , (edited )

There's a lot of FUD in this comments section, so I'd like to clear the air. I'm pretty big on OSS myself, so it pains me to see a company doing all the right things get lambasted like this.

Beeper is just a Matrix server running in tandem with a series of custom, open source bridges written by Beeper. The value proposition is not having to deploy a Matrix server yourself, and not having to deploy each bridge yourself.

However, if you want to do that you absolutely can. I've been running Synapse + a subset of their bridges for a couple years now (the WhatsApp one being the oldest), and they are fantastic.

The devs contribute back to Matrix all the time and are great about supporting the spec as a responsible third party.

Their only closed source software is their client, which is - by definition - only written to work with their servers and not generic Matrix servers (e.g. It's just a preconfigured matrix client which expects each bridge to be deployed, and doesn't ask you for things like what server you want). As a result, you wouldn't want to use it with your own stack; you can just pick one of the myriad OSS clients available for Matrix and go with that. I use SchildiChat, for example.

I don't understand why, after doing all this work and publishing the source online for free (free as in freedom), they aren't allowed to offer a preconfigured service to non tech savvy folk?

Honest question: Shouldn't they be paid for their work?

Edit: And, please, stop asking questions like "How do they connect to X/Y/Z, anyway?" - just go read the source and see for yourself. These are the good guys working completely in the open, and you're treating them as if Twitter just wrote a chat app.

derin ,

You can use any Matrix client with Beeper, you don't have to use theirs.

Regardless, there's nothing stopping you from recreating the same stack using the available tools.

What makes their service unique are the bridges. Download their sources, compile them, and then pair them with any server client combo you want.

If you insist on using their stack, you can still use an OSS client. They chose not to make their client open source as it is, by design, for their service only.

They're trying to run a business aimed at people who don't care about open source, and want the same closed source experience they get from their other chat apps but with inter connectivity between third party services.

If you want the latter without any closed source code, you can just go and do that. They've released all the important parts.

Edit: Here's a guide to self hosting beeper.

derin ,

Just use any open source client. You can literally do that.

And if you don't trust the company - for any reason - use their code to deploy your own backend.

derin ,

You were asking how it interacts with Discord. That is the code.

Beyond that it's running a version of Synapse and has its own client - the latter being optional.

derin ,

I disagree. Beeper's client is meaningless, its the service being offered that has value.

If you don't mind trusting a third party service with your Matrix instance + bridge hosting, use Beeper.

If you're into OSS and owning your own tech stack, self host the whole thing.

At no point do you have to use their client for any reason.

derin ,

Fair point, if you're just against the fact that they wrote a closed source client.

It's frustrating that closed source software exists, but in this context I'm (personally) okay with it as it funds the development of free software.

derin ,

I am worried about that acquisition, to be honest.

I've been supporting them via Github sponsors for about a year, now - as I only use their open source software; I've no intention of touching the service or closed source client.

As a result, I'd be lying if I didn't say I was anxious about their new owners basically telling them "hey, why are you releasing all your bridges for free, anyway?"

Really hope that doesn't happen, as their bridges have been my primary communication channels for a long time, now. I love not having to keep WhatsApp or Discord installed on my phone.

derin ,

The not cool parts just relate to any sort of hosted bridge. If you don't trust them with decrypting messages on their end, then don't give them your data - there are no bridges capable of doing that, anywhere.

So it really comes down to "trust someone else with your data, or host it yourself"; and if you're - understandably - frustrated with those options blame companies like WhatsApp or Discord that make it nigh impossible to integrate their services with outside networks.

Functionally, these bridges just forward your content to a library acting like a headless client - there's no way to encrypt that as the reverse engineered clients are not libraries and need to take raw input. You can't end to end encrypt it as the client is one of the "ends".

As an example, the WhatsApp bridge uses WhatsApp web as a backend, and has all the limitations of WA web.

As a result, I find the expectations to be a bit unrealistic.

derin ,

I hope they continue to do good, but am also skeptical.

And, man, I miss the old Gravatar.

derin ,

He does what, now? Can you post some links/examples? Is it because he posts long threads?

derin ,

Can't wait to add another tracker to the ol' keyring 😅

https://lemmy.beru.co/pictrs/image/fd0540ec-f99a-4ecb-881f-2e499b172e2f.jpeg

derin ,

Yep, but as Google's network (which would be the most comprehensive) is not yet ready, I'm using the next best thing: both Samsung and Apple's - combined.

Note: I don't live in a country where Tiled is sold or used too often, so they're a no-go.

derin ,

Try opening Element Desktop/Web, hitting the "Add" button to the right of your current space's title ("Home", if you're not in a space), and choose "Join Public Room". From there you can search for room names on Matrix.org (or other homeservers of your choice) - which is kind of the best option right now.

derin ,

They installed termux, then a web server via apt? It's cool and all, but I don't know if it's news-worthy.

derin ,

The first point is moot as you can encrypt your data; your host my have it, but they can't access it.

As far as self hosting goes, yes: DNS registration will generally out you, so if you're really trying to stay hidden then - as the previous poster mentioned - your best bet is to just make an account on a relatively large server.

andrew , (edited ) to Selfhosted
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Feishin: An open source self-hosted music player that can connect to your Navidrome and Jellyfin libraries

https://github.com/jeffvli/feishin

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derin ,

There are some great ones. Check out Tempo and Symfonium

derin ,

Been using matrix as my primary communication method (including bridges to other networks for things like Slack and WhatsApp) for over 3 years now, doesn't feel slow?

derin , (edited )

Might need to check your setup. But, I will concede that after 2 years in - a point at which the DB grew into something massive, what with the massive Matrix rooms I was idling in - I started to notice slowdowns. The whole sliding sync proxy thing (with the new generation Element X clients) fixed everything.

You shouldn't be having 10-20 second syncs with a new deploy (and limiting the amount of massive rooms your users can join, depending on your hardware), might be something awry relating to your config. If you're absolutely certain it's not that, check out the sliding sync proxy until it gets merged into the main spec - it's great.

derin ,

Sorry man, I don't know what to tell you. I've got a pretty medium end VPS on which I host my Matrix instance - only had to add an extension for storage after the first few years when the DB got too big. Things were never as bad as you said early on, and as time passed I absolutely got to the point where it would take 10-20 seconds to sync - but this was after 2 years or so of constant use.

The reason why it takes long is because of the size of the sync payload - logically, for a new server/user, this really shouldn't be that big (unless you're in rooms like Matrix HQ). So, genuinely, look into optimization: postgres, your web server (nginx, apache, caddy), and limiting your users from accessing "problematic" rooms.

Barring that just deploy the sliding sync proxy and be done with it. It's not really a problem that requires you to attempt it a thousand times.

So either you put some fancy wizardry into your system or you’re just in denial.

It's called pure Debian, baby. Also, you'll need a decent chunk of RAM if you don't have that yet. Avoid a pagefile if you can.

derin ,

Well, at least you gave it your best!

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derin ,

I'm a Remarkable 2 user, but if the writing feel is anywhere as decent as the remarkable's, I would consider buying one of these (assuming I'm making a first time purchase and don't already have an eink writing tablet).

Most of those features are super unnecessary (but I love the idea of having them), but damn if that color screen doesn't get me feeling super excited.

derin ,

Not busted anymore, works now.

derin ,

I've been paying for mailspring for a few years now, and I love it. It has touch and gesture support, is open source, and is available on Windows, MacOS, and Linux.

Its paid plan includes some nice features like email tracking - which you can't really get from just a simple client and (needs a server to track who has opened an email and when) - and id lookup, for things like quickly seeing the LinkedIn profile of a sender not in your contacts list.

Definitely my favorite desktop client by a wide margin, and one I would recommend wholeheartedly.

Edit: Just to be clear, it's available for free as well.

derin ,

While I don't use it like that myself, the website touts "touch and gesture support", so I'm assuming there's something in there.

It is free, so give it a shot - maybe it'll scratch your itch!

derin ,

You can have it listen in lieu of Synapse, or it can live side by side on the same server (thus not breaking compatibility with older clients) and you can just point Element X to the new port.

derin ,

Yep, just finished setting up sliding-sync myself (I'm old fashioned so I still use Apache 😄)

The initial sync was slower, but even slower for me as the initial sync caused RAM spikes leading to the OOM killer sneaking in. Had to set up a swap file to temporarily get past it.

Also, note that the initial sync is slow because it does a full V2 sync to the proxy first, only then can you start with V3/Sliding-Sync.

But, Element X seems fun! Not ready to be a daily driver for me (I really need proper spaces support for the way I use Matrix), but damn if the new loads aren't sweet.

Edit: Oh man, just installed Element X on another device to test a "clean" login (since the V2 sync is already completed, now). Probably took ~5s from first time logging in to seeing every chat/message. Goddamn that's sexy. I'm a happy camper, right now.

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