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exanime ,

LinkedIn games make as much sense as zoos on airplanes

exanime ,

Sometimes smell like them too

exanime ,

You win the internet today

exanime ,

Agreed... However I want to point out that in this case they are to return the revenue plus $100k fine. The fact they went after revenue (not profit) leaves Razer to carry the bag for the cost of production and distribution of the fraudulent crap they peddled.

This should be the deafult... In egregious cases, a fine should be applied on a multiplier basis, that is, your revenue is $1 million, you get a fine of x0.5 so you now must return $1.5 million... Eat the cost of all the stuff plus $500,000 fine (for example)

If the fraud was criminal, then do the fines AND include jail time

Basically, skirting or breaking the law should be a scary proposition... Presenting a shady business plan internally should result in people getting fired on the spot

exanime ,

I've heard this so many times... It's now like the cure for cancer we find every 6 months

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure we are making progress but I'm tired of "just around the corner" meaning 15 years down the road.

We don't yet have fully self driving trains, on tracks, I can't believe trucks will be first

exanime ,

Not to defend Musk here but tinkering for the sake of saying you make a change is exactly the kind of consumerism junk we should avoid

There wouldn't be a problem with year and part numbers if they didn't arbitrarily changed it just to be able to market the "all new" cuz

I have a Prius and it's a pita for parts because some refer to it by year, some by generation, some by trim (even if the part has nothing to do with the trim, etc)

I would love to just be able to say Prius gen 4 and be done

exanime ,

So Facebook has the best interest of the people at heart?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/11/facebooks-dangerous-experiment-teen-girls/620767/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimelsesser/2021/10/05/heres-how-instagram-harms-young-women-according-to-research/?sh=50ff6082255a

https://www.counterextremism.com/press/extremist-content-online-extreme-right-and-neo-nazi-content-located-tiktok-instagram-and

exanime ,

Most 10 years ago they were already manipulating people on purpose

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/30/facebook-emotion-study-breached-ethical-guidelines-researchers-say

exanime ,

It's owned by the CCP who is currently trying to undermine our election

Not that this may not be true, but the USA undermines it's own foundation of democracy

exanime ,

So it's ok when Republicans undermine democracy... As long as they are not Chinese, got it

exanime ,

To do both... But keep your head in the sand as long as you want

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/mar/17/the-cambridge-analytica-scandal-changed-the-world-but-it-didnt-change-facebook

exanime ,

So they sell data for money, to people who wanted to influence an election .... But you see that as different?

exanime ,

Hopefully the response is "the USA is basically 110% hypocritical here having actually intervened and destroyed the democracy of many countries before"

I've said many times.bfore I agree the Chinese government is bad and cannot be trusted, but let's pretend the USA government is trust worthy

Nothing but Chinese shills or boys here. It’s wild anyone is stupid enough to say this

All I see here are people who can't read critically and whose brains seem to only work on fallacies

exanime ,

Anyone in tech who moved from Cali to Texas was completely misguided... Case in point, ElOn

exanime ,

Hmmm I get you point but you seem to be taken the cavalier position of one who'd never be affected.

Let's proposed this alternative scenario: AI is 50% safer and would reduce death from 40k to 20k a year if adopted. However, the 20k left will include your family and, unfortunately , there is no accountability therefore, nobody will pay to help raise your orphan nephew or help grandma now that your grandpa died ran over by a Tesla... Would you approve AI driving going forward?

exanime ,

Now, once Tesla goes Mercedes and says you don't have to pay attention, it's gonna be the company that should step in

That doesn't give me warm and fuzzies either... Imagine a poor dude having to fight Mercedes or Testla because he was crippled by a sleeping driver and bad AI... Not even counting the lobbying that would certainly happen to reduce and then eliminate their liability

exanime ,

No, I do mean literally your family. Not because I'm trying to be mean to you, I'm just trying to highlight you'd agree with a contract when you think the price does not apply to you.... But in reality the price will apply to someone, whether they agree with the contract and enjoy the benefits or not

It's the exact same situation with real life with the plane manufacturers. They lobby the government to allow recalls not to be done immediately but instead on the regular maintenance of the planes. This is to save money but it literally means that some planes are put there with known defects that will not be addressed for months (or years, depending on the maintenance needed)

Literally, people who'd never have a loved one in one of those flights decided that was acceptable to save money. They agreed, it's ok to put your life at risk, statistically, because they want more money

exanime ,

Read the proposition... It's a thought experiment what we were discussing

exanime ,

Yes, it's a thought experiment... Not a fair question, just trying to put it in perspective

Anyone who understands stats would agree 40k death is worse than 20k but it also depends on other factors. All things being equal to today, the 20k proposition is only benefit

But if we look into the nuance and details emerge, the formula changes. For example, here it's been discussed that there may be nobody liable. If that's the case, we win by halving death (absolutely a win) but now the remaining 20k may be left with no justice... Worse, it absolutely creates a perverse incentive for these companies, without liability exposure, to do whatever to maximize profit

So, not trying to be a contrarian here... I just want to avoid the polarization that is now the rule online... Nothing is just black and white

exanime ,

Do you know what a thought experiment is??

exanime ,

The proposition is stupid.

Oh the depth of reasoning in social media

If you told me that ALL future accidents will be prevented if I agree to kill my family, I would still not do it

That is exactly the point... Anyone would be 100% happy taking any proposition as long as they don't have to pay the cost. I was just trying to highlight that

In this case, it was all about liability... We have not even come close to prove the current driverless tech is actually better than people's skills.... We all know that automated driving should be safer but we have no clue if we are even taking the right steps.to get there

exanime ,

Your thought experiment doesn't work

The point of a thought experiment is to think about that proposition, not to replace with whatever you think makes sense

  1. AI driver causes a fatal accident.

Nobody gets criminal charges. Insurance pays out depending on policy.

Now here is my concern... You are reducing a human life to a dollar amount just like Ford did with the Pinto. If Mercedes (who is apparently liable), decides they are making more money selling their cars than paying out to people injured or killed by their cars, what's left to force them to recall/change/fix their algorithm?

PS: I also never claimed I rather have 20000 more people die for accountability... So, I guess you have to argue that with the part of your brain that made it up

exanime ,

But they'd get restitution through insurance. Even if nobody is going to jail, there will still be insurance claims.

And that's where I'm aiming at... If Mercedes decides, like Ford did before them, that it's cheaper to pay out the insurance claims they lose instead of fixing their bugs then innocent people will have to die so Mercedes can keep up their profit margins.

That's exactly the point I'm trying to make

You seem to argue that, on the unproven premise that current AI is better than human drivers, we should let corporations test it out in the real world even if they are not criminally liable ever. For me, that's a bad deal.

Now, imagine we go down this rabbit hole... It's already 10x cheaper to lobby USA politicians to limit Mercedes liability than it would be for them to actually start paying wrongly death claims

In Texas, if you doctor shows up drunk for surgery and leaves you quadriplegic or kills you, the biggest liability exposure has been limited to 250k

I love tech and I do believe science, knowledge and the tech it can produce could improve our lives in unimaginable ways.... But as long as our approach to it continues to be profit over people, socialise the risk - privatize the profit and corporation being citizens in all aspects except liability, we will never get there

exanime ,

Again if you are not willing to engage in a discussion where there is more nuance than black vs one, move along

exanime ,

I'm tired of explaining what a thought experiment is and the point I was trying to discuss... You can just disagree and move on with our lives

Have a great week ahead bud

exanime ,

After 20 years in Canada I can tell you the shit I dislike the most was imported from the USA... The shit I like the most came from Europe

exanime ,

I vow never to buy anything advertised to me in such intrusive way....

exanime , (edited )

As others have said, the implication in this article's title is silly... Surely an r&d phase start easily explains this

What I'm curious about is how you spend that much money in such little time? Was that money actually spent or just committed?

exanime ,

indeed... you'd expect big bucks on the D part... new factory, going for mass production, etc... and even then, you can only build so fast

exanime ,

I think it's a gamble... Too many people love tiktok (don't ask me why) that they know the pressure on the gov would be terrible

More importantly, a forced sale (with a time limit to boot) is bound to fetch them the worst deal ever

I think they are calling their bluff

And before anyone comes at me with some stupid fallacy, no I don't love the Chinese government or I'm trying to imply tiktok has nothing to hide and it's the source of rainbows and warm sweet buns

exanime ,

Which is in my opinion the actual goal here... The USA talks about free market and crap but usually cannot compete unless they make the rules, set the referees, start with double the money, can't go to jail and charge triple passing go

Either tiktok becomes an American company or leaves... Ah, the free market has spoken

exanime ,

Currently, the government can request any data they want from TikTok and they are obligated to provided it.

You mean exactly like all big tech in the USA?

exanime ,

Good to know .. I have honestly kept away from most social media after a stint in Reddit that pushed me here

I have never had a Facebook, insta, Google whatever social, tiktok, etc so I don't really get what people like there

exanime ,

Publicly-traded companies are required (by law, I think) to maximize profits for their shareholders,

The is not true, stop spreading misinformation

https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/04/16/what-are-corporations-obligations-to-shareholders/corporations-dont-have-to-maximize-profits

exanime ,

They may not have to maximise profits but the shareholders will question every decision that doesn't maximise profits so the result is the same.

If that were true, we wouldn't see the obscene salaries of C-suite level execs skyrocket... That money cuts into the profits as well, you know?

They are ok squeezing their workers while giving themselves the sweet life on the company's dime

That's why activist investors that push companies to more ethical behaviour are important.

This is a fairy tale force, like Santa or the boogie man. You'll never get ethical behavior from profit seeking entities

Windows 11 Start menu ads are now rolling out to everyone (www.theverge.com)

Microsoft is starting to enable ads inside the Start menu on Windows 11 for all users. After testing these briefly with Windows Insiders earlier this month, Microsoft has started to distribute update KB5036980 to Windows 11 users this week, which includes “recommendations” for apps from the Microsoft Store in the Start menu....

exanime ,

That's what I was going to add... After Win7 the dissatisfaction mounted enough for me to try Linux... Then I kicked myself for not switching sooner

exanime ,

If this is to be used by the IDF against Palestinians, they won't put in tear gas...

exanime ,

they are just forcing the company to divest from it's Chinese parent company.

... Or get banned

exanime ,

It's not about that.... It's about feeding the porks of the military industrial complex

exanime ,

Tetris....

Instagram Advertises Nonconsensual AI Nude Apps (www.404media.co)

Instagram is profiting from several ads that invite people to create nonconsensual nude images with AI image generation apps, once again showing that some of the most harmful applications of AI tools are not hidden on the dark corners of the internet, but are actively promoted to users by social media companies unable or...

exanime ,

And yet, people are still scorned and offended as if they were.

I think you are missing the plot here... If a naked pic of yourself, your mother, your wife, your daughter is circulating around the campus, work or just online... Are you really going to be like "lol my nipples are lighter and they don't know" ??

You may not get that job, promotion, entry into program, etc. The harm done by naked pics in public would just as real weather the representation is accurate or not ... And that's not even starting to talk about the violation of privacy and overall creepiness of whatever people will do with that pic of your daughter out there

exanime ,

People are refused for jobs/promotions on the most arbitrary basis, often against existing laws but they are impossible to enforce.

Even if it is normalized, there is always the escalation factor.. sure, nobody won't hire Anita because of her nudes out there, everyone has them and they are probably fake right?... but Perdita? hmmm I don't want my law firm associated in any way with her pics of tentacle porn, that's just too much!

Making sure we are all in the gutter is not really a good way to deal with this issue... specially since it will, once again, impact women 100x more than it will affect men

exanime ,

I agree... however, we live in the world we live in, where employers do discriminate as much as they can before getting in trouble with the law

exanime ,

This is a transitional period issue. In a couple of years you can just say AI made it even if it’s a real picture and everyone will believe you.

Sure, but the question of whether they harm the victim is still real... if your prospective employer finds tons of pics of you with nazi flags, guns and drugs... they may just "play it safe" and pass on you... no matter how much you claim (or even the employer might think) they are fakes

exanime ,

Lol

exanime ,

It's a race to the bottom then ;-)

exanime ,

That's a good question... I'm not an expert in this area but I do think it should be criminalized to a certain extent (even if it's hard to enforce)

Probably legislation should out some onus on the makers of these tools as well

exanime ,

I'm finding DDG results very inconsistent as of late.

I was trying to find an old podcast about the Stanford jail experiment. Couldn't remember it was Stanford so my prompt was: radiolab jail experiment

I got a whole page of a Netflix jail experiment show. The entire page were links to Netflix or reviews or news about the Netflix show. Not a single mention of Stanford or radiolab at all

Switched my prompt to: "radiolab" jail experiment
And immediately got what I was looking for.

Gotta say, not impressed with the results as off late

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