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exanime ,

Enjoy the freedom!

exanime ,

Very cool but even 15 years ago or so when I moved to Linux, I was already over Winamp and using Foobar... Loved it

exanime ,

There are regulations in place

Unfortunately made and destroyed by policitians you can legally buy in the USA... They are cheap too, $10k gets you tons of access, for $100k you can make them dance like monkeys

exanime ,

https://www.ewg.org/news-insights/news/nuclear-industry-politics-bribes-corruption-and-lies

I respect your attempt to narrow it down enough to maybe escape my generalization... The lesson is never put your trust in politicians

exanime ,

You are right, this corruption case was not about regulations but, imo, that's just a matter or price and time.

A long time ago I read about some horrible explosion in a sugar refinery and was amazed how so many industries have had lethal cases like that which can be traced directly to greed (not negligence, not an accident, not a bad mix of circumstances, just greed)

Since then I have all but convinced myself that every industry out there have had a similar example (usually more than one) which is why I have zero tolerance for the notion that industry can regulate itself. Every single time a politician talks about deregulation for efficiency or job creation, what they really mean is they are taking "donations" and couldn't care less that people get hurt

exanime ,

I believe in nuclear and hope you are right ...

We already have had real close calls on nuclear (Chernobyl for example).... Have we learned from our mistakes? I hope so

exanime ,

Sure we will take the sacrifice... I'm sure this time capitalist will get the message and start behaving reasonably

It's like that time thousands of us reduced or eliminated meat intake and suddenly the Kardashians realized taking private jet flight to avoid a few minutes of traffic was bad and stopped doing it

exanime ,

People have been mad for decades about what Walmart did to retail in the US.

And the government stepped in and addressed the situation, right? Right?

exanime ,

This is what I try to tell people who just want the cheapest things possible. We're voting with our dollars what kind of world we want.

Ok, please tell me where can I buy <insert anything here> that's wasn't totally or partially made in China??

I'm an avid learner and DIY, I try to only buy raw materials and tools to make everything I can myself ... I have yet to see standard basic tools that were not made in China...

I understand your point, but to expect that "voting with your wallet" will cause change, is like hoping we can turn around a cruise ship by blowing at it

Just look at the enshitification of everything... Did people vote that in with their wallets? Or all services decided that on greed and left us no choice but to hold our noses or give up the last few vestiges of entertainment that we could still afford?

exanime ,

Exactly... Meanwhile some poor soul goes to jail because he is too broke to pay for some parking fines

Dell responds to return-to-office resistance with VPN, badge tracking, and color-coding of employees (arstechnica.com)

After reversing its position on remote work, Dell is reportedly implementing new tracking techniques on May 13 to ensure its workers are following the company's return-to-office (RTO) policy, The Register reported today, citing anonymous sources....

exanime ,

This is the right point to make... Instead of managing people by the work they do or the objectives they achieve, they are managing literally where their butts sit

exanime ,

Same... And since I still have not replaced their firetv sticks, I know use all their advertising as a list of "here is what's out, in case you want to sail for it"

Thank you Amazon hehehehe

exanime ,

It's pronounced "stremiOH-Sa"

exanime ,

Remaining rich depends on them not believing climate change

exanime ,

Hmmm I wouldn't be so sure... It depends on their position in the market and how well they lobby the government

exanime ,

Which business isn't? I honestly want to know to restore a semblance of hope in humanity

AFAIK, a business that is not in bed with corrupt politicians is because they have ready been beaten or they can't afford it

exanime ,

"Support" is a strong word for Spotify ... They support extends to other clients offering help and assisting each other in forums

The only time I seemingly got to a Spotify support person was just because I was cancelling and they wanted to convince me otherwise

exanime ,

I wish the "vote with your wallet" were real... It's as effective a "recycle your plastics"

It's only effective in deflecting responsibility to a party that is truly powerless to address the issues

exanime ,

Well think about if everybody did do that at the same time. Canceled Netflix, stopped going to Starbucks, stop shopping a certain places.

It's impossible to organize... More importantly, the government would bail them out because they are too big to fall

Maybe just for one week. What if everybody had enough gas in the world they could skip a day or two of getting gas.

Again, impossible to organize and completely useless.... By the end of the week the oil companies would be whole anyway. What do they care if they have a revenue dip for 3 days followed by a revenue bump as everybody ran out of gas and had to fill up again ?

exanime ,

The answer is "marketing"

They have pushed AI so hard in the last couple of years they have convinced many that we are 1 year away from Terminator travelling back in time to prevent the apocalypse

exanime ,

You say "bizarre" they say "marketing strategy"... They chose to do this knowing people wouldn't be milked $200 for an app, but if they make it look like a device, the sheep will be lured

exanime ,

Maybe I'd they added more ads I'd be tempted to use it....

/S

exanime ,

LinkedIn games make as much sense as zoos on airplanes

exanime ,

Sometimes smell like them too

exanime ,

You win the internet today

exanime ,

LinkedIn has been the Facebook you can us at work for a while

So we agree it was already garbage! Lol

Honestly I don't even get it, I have a LinkedIn account that I have updated twice (only when getting ready to change jobs)

I only keep it because I have heard more than once that " an IT person without a LinkedIn profile is a red flag" which I find completely idiotic but the world we live in is idiotic

As far as I know, none of the job offers I have received have actually been affected in anyway due to my LinkedIn profile... It has only served to get spam and lame short term contract offers (like I'm leaving my full time job for a 1 year "exiting" contract)

exanime ,

Agreed... However I want to point out that in this case they are to return the revenue plus $100k fine. The fact they went after revenue (not profit) leaves Razer to carry the bag for the cost of production and distribution of the fraudulent crap they peddled.

This should be the deafult... In egregious cases, a fine should be applied on a multiplier basis, that is, your revenue is $1 million, you get a fine of x0.5 so you now must return $1.5 million... Eat the cost of all the stuff plus $500,000 fine (for example)

If the fraud was criminal, then do the fines AND include jail time

Basically, skirting or breaking the law should be a scary proposition... Presenting a shady business plan internally should result in people getting fired on the spot

exanime ,

I've heard this so many times... It's now like the cure for cancer we find every 6 months

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure we are making progress but I'm tired of "just around the corner" meaning 15 years down the road.

We don't yet have fully self driving trains, on tracks, I can't believe trucks will be first

exanime ,

Not to defend Musk here but tinkering for the sake of saying you make a change is exactly the kind of consumerism junk we should avoid

There wouldn't be a problem with year and part numbers if they didn't arbitrarily changed it just to be able to market the "all new" cuz

I have a Prius and it's a pita for parts because some refer to it by year, some by generation, some by trim (even if the part has nothing to do with the trim, etc)

I would love to just be able to say Prius gen 4 and be done

exanime ,

So Facebook has the best interest of the people at heart?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/11/facebooks-dangerous-experiment-teen-girls/620767/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimelsesser/2021/10/05/heres-how-instagram-harms-young-women-according-to-research/?sh=50ff6082255a

https://www.counterextremism.com/press/extremist-content-online-extreme-right-and-neo-nazi-content-located-tiktok-instagram-and

exanime ,

Most 10 years ago they were already manipulating people on purpose

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/30/facebook-emotion-study-breached-ethical-guidelines-researchers-say

exanime ,

It's owned by the CCP who is currently trying to undermine our election

Not that this may not be true, but the USA undermines it's own foundation of democracy

exanime ,

So it's ok when Republicans undermine democracy... As long as they are not Chinese, got it

exanime ,

To do both... But keep your head in the sand as long as you want

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/mar/17/the-cambridge-analytica-scandal-changed-the-world-but-it-didnt-change-facebook

exanime ,

So they sell data for money, to people who wanted to influence an election .... But you see that as different?

exanime ,

Hopefully the response is "the USA is basically 110% hypocritical here having actually intervened and destroyed the democracy of many countries before"

I've said many times.bfore I agree the Chinese government is bad and cannot be trusted, but let's pretend the USA government is trust worthy

Nothing but Chinese shills or boys here. It’s wild anyone is stupid enough to say this

All I see here are people who can't read critically and whose brains seem to only work on fallacies

exanime ,

Anyone in tech who moved from Cali to Texas was completely misguided... Case in point, ElOn

exanime ,

Hmmm I get you point but you seem to be taken the cavalier position of one who'd never be affected.

Let's proposed this alternative scenario: AI is 50% safer and would reduce death from 40k to 20k a year if adopted. However, the 20k left will include your family and, unfortunately , there is no accountability therefore, nobody will pay to help raise your orphan nephew or help grandma now that your grandpa died ran over by a Tesla... Would you approve AI driving going forward?

exanime ,

Now, once Tesla goes Mercedes and says you don't have to pay attention, it's gonna be the company that should step in

That doesn't give me warm and fuzzies either... Imagine a poor dude having to fight Mercedes or Testla because he was crippled by a sleeping driver and bad AI... Not even counting the lobbying that would certainly happen to reduce and then eliminate their liability

exanime ,

No, I do mean literally your family. Not because I'm trying to be mean to you, I'm just trying to highlight you'd agree with a contract when you think the price does not apply to you.... But in reality the price will apply to someone, whether they agree with the contract and enjoy the benefits or not

It's the exact same situation with real life with the plane manufacturers. They lobby the government to allow recalls not to be done immediately but instead on the regular maintenance of the planes. This is to save money but it literally means that some planes are put there with known defects that will not be addressed for months (or years, depending on the maintenance needed)

Literally, people who'd never have a loved one in one of those flights decided that was acceptable to save money. They agreed, it's ok to put your life at risk, statistically, because they want more money

exanime ,

Read the proposition... It's a thought experiment what we were discussing

exanime ,

Yes, it's a thought experiment... Not a fair question, just trying to put it in perspective

Anyone who understands stats would agree 40k death is worse than 20k but it also depends on other factors. All things being equal to today, the 20k proposition is only benefit

But if we look into the nuance and details emerge, the formula changes. For example, here it's been discussed that there may be nobody liable. If that's the case, we win by halving death (absolutely a win) but now the remaining 20k may be left with no justice... Worse, it absolutely creates a perverse incentive for these companies, without liability exposure, to do whatever to maximize profit

So, not trying to be a contrarian here... I just want to avoid the polarization that is now the rule online... Nothing is just black and white

exanime ,

Do you know what a thought experiment is??

exanime ,

The proposition is stupid.

Oh the depth of reasoning in social media

If you told me that ALL future accidents will be prevented if I agree to kill my family, I would still not do it

That is exactly the point... Anyone would be 100% happy taking any proposition as long as they don't have to pay the cost. I was just trying to highlight that

In this case, it was all about liability... We have not even come close to prove the current driverless tech is actually better than people's skills.... We all know that automated driving should be safer but we have no clue if we are even taking the right steps.to get there

exanime ,

Your thought experiment doesn't work

The point of a thought experiment is to think about that proposition, not to replace with whatever you think makes sense

  1. AI driver causes a fatal accident.

Nobody gets criminal charges. Insurance pays out depending on policy.

Now here is my concern... You are reducing a human life to a dollar amount just like Ford did with the Pinto. If Mercedes (who is apparently liable), decides they are making more money selling their cars than paying out to people injured or killed by their cars, what's left to force them to recall/change/fix their algorithm?

PS: I also never claimed I rather have 20000 more people die for accountability... So, I guess you have to argue that with the part of your brain that made it up

exanime ,

But they'd get restitution through insurance. Even if nobody is going to jail, there will still be insurance claims.

And that's where I'm aiming at... If Mercedes decides, like Ford did before them, that it's cheaper to pay out the insurance claims they lose instead of fixing their bugs then innocent people will have to die so Mercedes can keep up their profit margins.

That's exactly the point I'm trying to make

You seem to argue that, on the unproven premise that current AI is better than human drivers, we should let corporations test it out in the real world even if they are not criminally liable ever. For me, that's a bad deal.

Now, imagine we go down this rabbit hole... It's already 10x cheaper to lobby USA politicians to limit Mercedes liability than it would be for them to actually start paying wrongly death claims

In Texas, if you doctor shows up drunk for surgery and leaves you quadriplegic or kills you, the biggest liability exposure has been limited to 250k

I love tech and I do believe science, knowledge and the tech it can produce could improve our lives in unimaginable ways.... But as long as our approach to it continues to be profit over people, socialise the risk - privatize the profit and corporation being citizens in all aspects except liability, we will never get there

exanime ,

Again if you are not willing to engage in a discussion where there is more nuance than black vs one, move along

exanime ,

I'm tired of explaining what a thought experiment is and the point I was trying to discuss... You can just disagree and move on with our lives

Have a great week ahead bud

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