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jenny_ball ,
@jenny_ball@lemmy.world avatar

this is cool but what is the point now given all the options today and the way we listen to music now?

linearchaos ,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

Even back then the real power of winamp was in plugins. You can't get away with the truly hacky crap and windows anymore.

The only thing I really cared for back in the day was visualization and the aggressive crossfade plugin.

bluewing ,

OK, I'm confused.

I have seen 2 different articles that claim WinAmp is NOt going to be open sourced. At least in the common sense. But rather kind - of - sort - of - but - not - really.

Here is a https://www.zdnet.com/home-and-office/home-entertainment/winamp-is-not-going-open-source-heres-what-it-is-doing-and-why/ ZDNET article about it.

dustyData , (edited )

They are open sourcing, just keeping a proprietary license on it. Yes, it's weird, but it is not unheard of. The Unreal game engine's entire source code is open, anyone can read or submit changes to it. Even make changes and distribute said changes. But it's still a proprietary product owned by Epic Games, and commercial use is strictly controlled under the licensing terms. Open doesn't mean Free (as in beer), or Freedom (licensing). Those are three different things. It is just that people have associated the term open source with the entire Free and Open Source Software philosophy. But they aren't the same thing.

ZDNET is wrong, Winamp is open sourcing their code. The article is obtuse and refuses to elaborate or provide reasons about their claim that Winamp isn't open sourcing.

it cannot be open source with that level of corporate control

Why?

It not only can, we have several examples of corporate products that are open source precisely like this with this level of control.

Open source requiring a specific license is a decades old debate that continues to this day. We have like a million different licenses and people argue and bicker all the time about which ones are Truly Open source ™ and which ones aren't. It's all legalese that make most people have headaches. But there's one crux on this whole thing: Open source does not preclude commercialization of software. This is why people are proposing the term source-available software. Winamp might go for that model and the debate would still go on.

bluewing ,

Thanks for the explanation!

DAMunzy ,

It is NOT open source. There is a meaning behind that specific term and they are said it in their announcement that they are only "opening up its source". Don't use that term for this.

linearchaos ,
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A lot of companies are starting to do this most people are referring to it as source available rather than open source. I'm kind of surprised I don't just turn it into an electron app and get it over with.

cmhe ,

There is a different term for that:source-available

mechoman444 ,

Man. I still use winamp to this day and I've been using them since they came out.

It's the only music player that organizes the music in a way that makes sense. I love the library interface.

Xabis ,

Same. My only gripe is that the ui doesn’t scale at all which makes it hard to use on 4K.

mechoman444 ,

Apparently the newer version fixed that issue but it's not default. If you update it you can mess around with it in the settings.

There's someone in the comment here that explains it.

HarbingerOfTomb ,

Wow this brings me back. What is winamp used for these days?

DoctorRoxxo ,

Whipping the llamas ass

Event_Horizon ,

That saucy llama!

btaf45 ,

To play music.

HarbingerOfTomb ,

Like, ripped mp3s like the old days?

Isthisreddit ,

Nothing wrong with how it was done back then, I still do the same today

HarbingerOfTomb ,

No nothing, I just didn't think anyone did this anymore. I don't even have any CDs anymore

Isthisreddit ,

I refuse to pay for a subscription where I don't own the music. CD's, records, tapes - I still do it. I do need to start ripping mp3's off YouTube more though - just a matter of time before shit starts disappearing

mechoman444 ,

Whipping the llamas music.

melroy ,
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It really whips the llama's ass. It's back from the death!!

NaoPb ,

I really liked winamp when my screen resolution wasn't so high. I wish the interface could scale so I can still use the original look without having to squint.

this_1_is_mine ,

The newest one fixes scaling but you need to set a compatibility setting. Use the newest version. After install right click and hit properties. Click compatibility settings. Set for all users if applicable. Select override hdpi settings. In the drop down select system enhanced. Ok apply ...... Restart the application. Enjoy.

You can also adjust the test in the actual winamp menus. But you can look up how easier than what I laid out.

NaoPb ,

Thank you!!

Zedstrian ,

I have mine configured as a background service with a Rainmeter desktop widget to play music at a moment's notice. Works better than any official Windows option.

Toribor ,
@Toribor@corndog.social avatar

It's been a while since I've used Rainmeter, but I love that thing. Such a flexible utility.

menemen ,
@menemen@lemmy.world avatar

Switched to Linux in 2005 or 2006. Been missing Winamp ever since. :) Finally.

rottingleaf ,

So you haven't used XMMS, BMP, Audacious, QMMP?...

menemen ,
@menemen@lemmy.world avatar

I did, mostly Audacious and Amarok. But, deserved or not, winamp has a special place in the heart of almost everyone in my generation.

JudahBenHur ,

I can confirm this. I still use the fucker

rottingleaf ,

I meant that all the mentioned support Winamp skins, and XMMS/BMP/Audacious are, eh, almost as esteemed.

moon ,

I'm kinda glad that my ears are not good enough to tell the difference between high end audio quality that I've never had to mess with enthusiast software like that. Ignorance is bliss.

Amir ,
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It's mostly all a meme. Most modern motherboards have good DAC+AMP built in, and 44.1kHz 16-bit is indistinguishable from 192kHz 32-bit or higher for most people. 75% of audio quality is your listening equipment, 20% is the quality of the source file (YouTube rips are shit), the last 5% is the rest of the pipeline unless you did something really stupid.

Sidenote: You can get a bit of a quality bump by knowing how to use Parametric EQ to compensate for imperfections of your listening equipment.

deltapi ,

Absolutely. This video does a great job of debunking the myth. There's a follow-up explaining why higher sampling has a place in audio mastering.

https://youtu.be/cD7YFUYLpDc?feature=shared

snrkl ,

Mac Port! Mac Port! Mac Port!

s_s ,

How many mac applications are coded using win32 api?

snrkl , (edited )

As a product manager, I simply choose to overlook things like "implementation details" or "the laws of physics!!" /s 🤣

On a more serious note, I'm just reaching a point where I just want a small, reliable, and minimalist mp3 playing app for the Mac, as I'm starting to get sick of every single service wanting $20/m for stuff.

I pine for the whipping the Lamas ass winamp used to give...

There's a recreation in re:Amp for osx, but I'd much prefer OSS apps...

Generally, I'd rather go back to just buying the music I want, ripping it and putting it on the devices I want to listen to it from...

Naz ,

I have unironically used Winamp since 2003, and I continue to do so now, even with a lossless passthrough DAC, lol

Skullgrid ,
@Skullgrid@lemmy.world avatar

which skin are you using? post a screenshot , alongside your current playlist so we can be entertained

btaf45 ,

Here is my current playlist. Using the "modern" (blue background) skin.

1981-Time\09 - Lights Go Down.mp3
1974-Eldorado\03 - Boy Blue.mp3
1975-Face The Music\06 - Strange Magic.mp3
1979-Discovery\02 - Confusion.mp3
1981-Time\08 - From The End Of The World.mp3
1976-A New World Record\02 - Telephone Line.mp3
1977-Out Of The Blue\03 - Sweet Talkin Woman.mp3
1979-Discovery\05 - Last Train To London.mp3
1974-Eldorado\02 - Can't Get It Out Of My Head.mp3
1981-Time\05 - The Way Life's Meant To Be.mp3
1980-Xanadu\09 - All Over The World.mp3
1981-Time\10 - Here Is The News.mp3
1976-A New World Record\05 - So Fine.mp3
1977-Out Of The Blue\10 - Standin In The Rain.mp3
1977-Out Of The Blue\11 - Big Wheels.mp3
1981-Time\03 - Yours Truly 2095.mp3
1977-Out Of The Blue\12 - Summer And Lightning.mp3
1979-Discovery\07 - On The Run.mp3
1976-A New World Record\08 - Do Ya.mp3
1981-Time\04 - Ticket To The Moon.mp3
1979-Discovery\04 - The Diary Of Horace Wimp.mp3
1975-Face The Music\03 - Evil Woman.mp3
1979-Discovery\03 - Need Her Love.mp3
1977-Out Of The Blue\13 - Mr. Blue Sky.mp3
1980-Xanadu\08 - Dont Walk Away.mp3
1977-Out Of The Blue\01 - Turn To Stone.mp3

spacemanspiffy ,

If this gets updated and ported to Linux, I'd switch. Until then, Sayonara Player is still the best I have found on Linux.

FlyingSquid ,
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I have never found a Linux media player I liked (I don't really like Sayonara). I would love Winamp for Linux!

Isthisreddit ,

What about xmms? It was basically a winamp clone, I used to use that on my Linux boxes 20+ years ago

Quazatron ,
@Quazatron@lemmy.world avatar

Use Audacity. You can even load all the old Winamp skins.

404 ,

You mean Audacious, right?

Quazatron ,
@Quazatron@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, sorry, I always get them mixed up.

lemmyingly ,

It really whips the llama's ass

zurchpet ,
@zurchpet@lemmy.ml avatar

If you need a quick Winamp fix -> https://webamp.org/

Jimmycrackcrack ,

Never heard of anything on the playlist before and I doubt I would have really stumbled on it normally because it's not the style I normally seek out but so far it all slaps. How is it they're allowed to include this stuff on their website?

Ifera ,

Turns out one of my favorite bands is that Playlist (Diablo Swing Orchestra), pretty cool of them to release free music under the Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs license, TIL.

nucleative ,

Damn, I'd even works on mobile

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Meh. No Ella Fitzgerald.

Whelks_chance ,

I've seen this before, but didn't realise they got milkdrop working. I bought an MMX compatible processor specifically to be able to run this, back in the day.

Mr_Dr_Oink ,

What use do we have today for a music focused media player? Is it common for people to use mp3, flac or wav for playing music? I feel like music streaming services hold the market here.

I like winamp back when it was an alternative for the basic windows media player to listen to all my music but I dont keep mp3s anymore so I don't know if I can see the point.

Was it anything more than just a music player with eq and skins? Did I miss the point back then?

Maybe I just don't have the vision that others have and will be pleasantly suprised when someone comes up with a good use case and develops it.

fatalicus ,

Don't know about others, but I still have music in both mp3 and flac err I listen to sometimes.

Mostly they are rips off CDs that just aren't available for streaming anywhere, but also just music I bought as digital before streaming really was a thing.

EngineerGaming ,
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Mine is mostly mp3, and the player is MPV. I would not notice higher quality amidst the street noise or listening through laptop's subpar speakers anyway.

Couldbealeotard ,
@Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world avatar

I use musicbee and MP3/FLAC.

My music collection is to large and keyed to my tastes to throw away, and I don't want to pay for Spotify.

Takios ,
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I have a big library of music, mostly MP3 or OGG and don't really see myself pivoting solely towards streaming services where access to songs could be revoked at any time or could be changed/censored like movies or series sometimes are on streaming platforms. I do use YouTube for listening to new music and when I like it enough, I buy it to download (or acquire it in a different way if it's not available).

cley_faye ,

My music library is hosted on my server, automatically synced locally on fixed devices and played from local files most of the time. Streaming services combine the advantage of sometimes disappearing, altering, removing content with the other advantage of needing an active internet connection at all time. That's neither a good thing nor an efficient thing when the alternative is cheap and works all the time from everywhere.

Of course, I know this is not the most common use case; most people usually don't care about any of this (and usually complain when something break). But it exists.

Deebster , (edited )
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I've been building my music collection since I was ripping CDs by hitting play, recording in Win95 Sound Recorder and running the .wav through LAME (nowadays EAC to flac, of course). I see no need to pay a subscription to listen to my music, when I can just use that same money to buy and own the albums* and not worry about them disappearing.

* also means more money goes to the artist

Also Navidrome + Symfonium means I can still stream to my phone so the only benefit Spotify etc has is new music, but YouTube (+ uBlock) gives me that.

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