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hex_m_hell ,
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Yeah, robo taxis are a dumb idea that should stop being proposed forever.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=GcKUYbChE3A

hex_m_hell ,
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The fact that it's a private monopoly only addresses, like, half of the problems. Why would China do this better? They have just as much incentive to prioritize the rich as Amazon does. Why would they do anything different?

hex_m_hell ,
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How would central planning solve problems like vandalism? And what benefit would this have over bikes and trains?

Autonomous vehicles seem to be literally an unsolvable problem, as covered in depth in the video. What magic would China bring that would make a problem even humans can't solve somehow solvable by AI?

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I work in computer security. It's just obvious if you have even the slightest awareness of the industry. Attacks on AI are Wiley Coyote shit like drawing circles around them. In an active environment they're even worse. With mountains of technology everyone who has ever tried it, the most advanced and well funded companies in the world, have all failed utterly and miserably. They've failed even though there's an emesne opportunity for profit. At a certain point, you have to start providing evidence that it's possible and there hasn't been any. It's a scam.

But here, I guess I have to do this for you:

https://gprivate.com/69dw4

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I'm an atheist and I understand how LLMs work. I also helped threat model privacy for the NHTSA vehicle to vehicle communication program, so I have some familiarity with the field and challenges related to parallel technologies.

What I'm not is an AI cultists who can't distinguish between technology and magic. Anyone who's familiar with the field, with AI and how it works, and especially anyone who ever thinks at all about AI/ML security (which, I do, since I have both used ML in my work and reviewed projects that use ML models), recognizes the numerous inherent limitations in the technology.

An LLM replicates human errors by the nature of how they're trained. This is inherent to the technology. LLMs themselves were an incredible advancement that allows all kinds of new things, and yet they're just fundamentally incapable of doing the job in this case. So tell me, what technology do you believe would solve just this one problem inherent to LLMs, ignoring all other problems with sensors and computer vision?

What do you propose?

Or maybe just read something from an industry expert specifically in this field:
https://spectrum.ieee.org/self-driving-cars-2662494269

Given the MASSIVE unsolved peoblems, massive amount of money and multiple years wasted already, and potentially infinite amount of money that could be spent solving these problems, what exact problems would be solved by robo taxis that wouldn't be solved, with much less investment, by trains and bikes?

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You keep saying there's value here, but you can't seem to say what it is. You say there's a solution, but you've just proposed dumping a ton of money in to research with no clear value over existing technologies.

I'm not against AI. I literally said I use AI. Before I used AI, I also believed in self-driving cars. Now that AI isn't magic to me, I understand why this is a fucking stupid idea. People are finally listening to experts who have been saying for years that AI isn't magic. People are turning against the grifters mean "magic" when they say "AI" without having any idea what the technology actually does or is capable of doing.

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So funny thing, Seattle Police Department did a pilot for AI that did sentiment analysis on police audio and looked for things like racial slurs. They pretty quickly disbanded the project and destroyed the evidence.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/law-justice/decision-to-halt-program-analyzing-seattle-police-bodycam-video-under-scrutiny/

(IIRC some folks requested info from the pilot and they claimed to have deleted it.)

hex_m_hell , (edited )
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Read "Bullshit Jobs" if you haven't. Most "work" is really always been about control and enforcing a religious ideology that being subservient to someone else makes you a better person. Return to work is about the psychological domination of workers. We all know it was never about productivity but about justifying inequity through institutionalized sadism.

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They don't care about profits any more than feudalism did. It's about domination and sadism. Read "Bullshit Jobs" if you want to understand the dynamics here. Profit had absolutely nothing to do with it.

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Lemmygrad is 100% not joking about guillotines and gulags.

The problem with all this, and that the guillotine is symbolic of, is that state power is always used against the weak. The guillotine isn't a defensive weapon. It can only be used, by definition, after an enemy has been subjugated. The logic of the guillotine, and it's symbolism, is revenge. The core logic of fascism is also revenge. The path from leftist ideals to reactionary dictatorship cloaked in those ideals follows that path.

Vengeance feels right because we are fighting against generations of injustice, but it can't end in a world without injustice. The world anarchists want to create is one that is fundamentally compassionate, even to those who have harmed us. Because everyone is a human, and everyone makes mistakes.

The defense of the revolution is the revolution. If the formerly rich are a threat to the post-revolutionary order, what has the revolution achieved? The world should be better for them too. They no longer have to chase wealth or fear for their lives, they can have time to work out whatever trauma drove them to hoard all that wealth.

The guillotine cannot reform. It cannot help. It can only kill those who are, by definition, no longer a threat. It cannot be used for anything but revenge, and there is no place for revenge in a revolution that seeks to build a better world.

This is why I advocate for gun ownership but refused to testify against the person who shot me. This is one of my favorite crimethinc pieces and I reference it a lot.

hex_m_hell ,
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Don't worry, he did it so you won't get a chance to.

hex_m_hell OP , (edited )
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IMHO, It makes sense though. Piracy and open source are two approaches to attacking the enclosure of public (intellectual) space. Roads for cars are literally an enclosure of public space. The subscription model just extends from this logic.

Edit: These are also things that make sense because the car has to have cell service via a provider.

hex_m_hell ,
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Ebikes will get you a good chunk of the way there in a lot of places. Other than that, if you live in a city then vote like hell and go to city council meeting as often as possible to demand bike lanes. Local voting actually matters and can change (some) things.

If you live in the country... Eh... Start sabotaging gas stations I guess? I don't even know where to begin with a constructive answer. Rural folks are basically forced in to cars and there isn't much to do about it without massive changes. In the Netherlands even small towns get train stations, but in the US and Canada and even a lot of Europe rural folks are just screwed.

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I lived in rural California and Oregon for a while and there was just nothing. You had a car or you couldn't live. Wanna get groceries? Drive, because it's too far to bike and even if you did you'd probably get killed by a car. Wanna get your mail? Drive to the post office. Don't bike because you'll get hit by a semi. Wanna go see a movie in a theatre? Yeah, drive for at least half an hour to get to the closest one. But both of the towns I spent the most time in burned to the ground in wildfires so... Yeah...

But it's good to hear not all of the US is hopeless and some of it is almost functional. I hope at least some parts survive, because there's a whole lot that just can't exist without cars and cars can't exist forever.

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Capitalism is garbage and produce garbage jobs because it's based in the religious concept that people should work. Within the context of capitalism, this makes sense. Putting away your cart doesn't challenge capitalism, so "job security" makes sense as an objective unless you're challenging the capitalist system.

hex_m_hell ,
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Neoliberalism is the gateway drug to fascism.

hex_m_hell ,
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Its time to start talking about "memetic effluent." In the same way corporations polluted our physical world, they're pollution our memetic world. AI spewing garbage data is just the most obvious way, but corporations have been toxifying our memetic space for generations.

This memetic effluent will make sorting through data harder and harder over the years. But the oil and tobacco industries undermined science and democracy for decades with it's own memetic effluent in order to protect their business for decades. Advertising is it's own effluent that distorts and destroys language. Jerry Rubin said it in 1970,
"How can I tell you 'I love you' after hearing 'cars love shell?'"

While physical effluent destroys our physical environment making living in the world harder, memetics effluent destroys meaning and makes thinking about and comprehending the world harder. Both are the garbage side effects of the perpetuation of capitalism.

This example of poisoning the data well is just too obvious to ignore, but there are so many others.

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