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Daft_ish , (edited )

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CCF_100 ,

prints this image out a million times and attaches it to every shopping cart I can find

kamen ,

Where I am people do not trust people and shopping carts are coin operated.

porous_grey_matter ,

This is such a dumb take - doing unpaid labour for corporations is what makes someone a good person? Nah.

Marcbmann ,

That's a weird take. The shopping part is provided to you for free for your convenience. Not returning the shopping cart means you are creating a nuisance for other people who are coming to the store to get the things that they need. It is blocking parking spots, potentially going to damage somebody's car, and no longer in a centralized location.

Not returning it is inconsiderate in multiple ways.

cobra89 ,

Nah, yours is the dumb take. I guess returning your 3D glasses at the end of a movie is too much "unpaid labor" for you. How about cleaning up your table at a restaurant that doesn't have servers? I guess you just leave the mess sitting there huh?

porous_grey_matter ,

Nah lol I return the shopping cart and don't make a mess in public. But I really don't believe that's some kinda evidence of morality.

MiddledAgedGuy , (edited )

Working a customer facing job with poor pay and little to no benefits sucks. That's why I do it, for those people, not the business.

Etterra ,

Remember that a lot of religious people believe that without written rules of what is right or wrong that we'd all turn into literal murder hobos.

spujb OP ,

jesse what the fuck are you talking about jesse

Zangoose ,

I think they're saying religious people believe that if it isn't an enforced rule by either the law or some religion, people won't follow it.

(I know it's the jesse meme text but internet sarcasm is hard so I'm putting my interpretation anyway)

pulaskiwasright ,

A long time ago I worked at a grocery store and I preferred it when people didn’t return the carts. Would you rather spend your day gathering carts outside or gathering carts for 10 minutes at a time and then having to deal with customers?

darthskull ,

Depends on the weather

pulaskiwasright ,

I’d still rather be outside than dealing grocery store customers in the snow, rain, cold, or heat.

CADmonkey ,

Customers in the store are bitchy and demanding.

Customers outside the store are bitchy, demanding, and controlling a two-ton machine.

Hard choice.

pulaskiwasright ,

I was yelled at daily. Never was I threatened with someone’s car.

CADmonkey ,

I wasn't ever explicitly threatened with a car, they were just distracted and didn't care if they hit someone.

cheesymoonshadow ,
@cheesymoonshadow@lemmings.world avatar

I'm just curious, did you bring the carts in in smaller batches so you'd have to make more trips and the whole task would take longer?

pulaskiwasright ,

Yeah. Way longer. It’s a much quicker job when all the carts are in one spot and you just bring a long train of them back at once.

andthenthreemore ,
@andthenthreemore@startrek.website avatar

But I gotta get my quid back.

stringere ,

This one Aldis.

andthenthreemore ,
@andthenthreemore@startrek.website avatar

Every supermarket has this in the UK. Has for years.

ECB ,

It's basically standard (at least everywhere I've lived) in Europe

pinkdrunkenelephants ,

If there was a law punishing people for not putting shopping carts back, I would deliberately break it and sue whatever stupid fucking government passed such a thing under the grounds listed in the post.

A law like that would be a violation of our rights. You can't just use government to force people to do whatever you want. We have rights.

doggle ,

A law like that would be a violation of our rights

We have a right to not clean up after ourselves? Tell me more

The fact is you're borrowing a cart from it's owner, probably a store. If the store requires you to put it back and you don't the they would be within their rights to sue you over it. The only reason they don't is because their damages would be massively less valuable than their legal fees and the time it would take to present a lawsuit.

pinkdrunkenelephants ,

You really do. Governments can't arbitrarily make you do whatever they want through laws; they have to have good reasons for it that are acceptable by the people, and no one thinks it's acceptable for governments to harm their own citizens over an act the OP emphatically tells us harms no one.

An act that really doesn't mean anything more than a minor inconvenience and annoyance for everyone else.

And you want to harm people over it.

They're not the ones who are disgusting. You are.

enitoni ,
@enitoni@beehaw.org avatar

Imagine if you were able to lay down an argument without a strawman and ad hominem fallacy.

andthenthreemore ,
@andthenthreemore@startrek.website avatar

Pretty sure it could be considered fly tipping.

Honytawk ,

Same logic can apply to throwing your trash around. Which does get fined.

pinkdrunkenelephants ,

I am pretty surprised no one has sued to get those laws overturned on those grounds.

Laws like that are just dog whistles to enable discrimination, just as loitering laws are.

vaultdweller013 ,
@vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works avatar

I return the shopping cart entirely out of the fact that ai fucking hate it when people leave the cart in the parking space. But yeah if theres a concrete sidewalk or something I may leave it there if the return area is a row of cars away.

Thermal_shocked ,

Then you sure are a bad member of society. Did you read the post?

Casey_Masterpiece ,

They're simply stating the parameters where they perceive it to no longer be an easy convenient task. We'd need to argue that line to be sure.

Honytawk ,

If that line is a 30 meter walk, then it is still convenient or you are just lazy and selfish

SwallowsDick ,

I mostly shop at a place where you can safely leave the carts on a covered sidewalk outside of the store. Get fucked moral absolutists

doggle ,

Safely, but still creating more work for store employees to collect the carts and possibly inconveniencing pedestrians. Point 1 for the moral absolutists.

Slovene , (edited )

Some stores hire students to continuously gather all the shopping carts and return them to the hubs. Altough, I think nowadays all stores in my country use the coin operated carts, so if you don't return the cart, you don't get your coin back.

Honytawk ,

And those students would be learning valuable store working skills if the lazy people bothered to return their cart as they should.

SwallowsDick ,

Mostly, people take the left carts back into the store to shop with

CaptainProton ,

But then what do you do about those monsters who leave carts in motion, on slopes, leaving them to hit parked cars?

doggle ,

You judge them as bad people, I guess. The post only defines how to judge people, it doesn't prescribe what should be done about it.

Honytawk ,

Ziptie those carts to their car handles.

Old_Dude ,

What if returning the carts is my usual practice, but there was a time crunch one time and I needed to save myself the extra 30 seconds?

Asafum ,

Believe it or not, jail!

BreadOven ,

I suppose if it was dire you save those 30s, it's acceptable.

But you would not be immune to being judged by a third party. They wouldn't know the situation is dire unless explaining it, which would take at least a few seconds.

ArmokGoB ,

Walmart sells indulgences.

tmyakal ,

I'm having a tough time imagining a scenario where you're in too much of a hurry to spend 30 seconds returning the cart, but not too much of a hurry to buy your merchandise and load it in your vehicle.

6buck6satan6 ,

Maybe if you are about to piss your pants, but even then you should check inside the store first. But that's about it

doggle ,

The post specifies an exemption for dire emergencies. It would need to be pretty dire for 30s to make a meaningful difference.

Otherwise, by the metric here, you're a bad person whenever you're in a moderate hurry.

Thermal_shocked ,

Then your time management sucks.

smackjack ,

I always just park next to the cart return things. Makes it easier to find your car and you don't have to walk as far.

Epicmulch ,

Parking next to the cart return doesn't count. You must bring the cart all the way back.

BluesF ,

Unless you get a phone call just after unloading your shit into your car what sort of emergency allows you to shop but still demands literally no second be spared?

Honytawk ,

If you are in such a hurry you don't even have 30 seconds, you shouldn't be shopping in the first place, especially if you buy enough to fill a cart.

spader312 ,

The description says unless it's a dire emergency

Abucketofpuppies ,

One time I went to a Walmart in the middle of the night and turned all the cart returns backwards. What does that make me?

camelbeard ,

You will probably be mentioned in history with Hitler and Stalin.

joyvio ,

I love when people leave their carts around because that means I am not forgetting my coin if I have to take one out the aisle

Abucketofpuppies ,

Your coin? Are you renting the shopping cart?

Edit: TIL about European shopping cart rental

thewitchslayer ,

I'm not sure if they still do, but ALDI used to do this too. Not too sure about other stores but I've only seen it at ALDI here in Michigan

ChonkyOwlbear ,

There were two young kids at my old Aldi who got the bright idea to hang around the parking lot and offer to return carts for people. I bet they made some decent money.

cypherpunks ,
@cypherpunks@lemmy.ml avatar

I am glad I live in a place where many grocery stores don't have this problem, because they don't have parking lots, because most of their customers don't even have a car much less would drive it to get groceries if they did. (Yes, I do realize how fortunate I am.)

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