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wintermute_oregon ,

One article I read said he likes to fire whole teams and then see which people are asked about. Those are the ones he rehires. If nobody misses you then you were doing a job of value.

From a human level, this is just shitty. It isn't the way to treat people.

wintermute_oregon ,

I would say depends. If the user was using the feature correctly then Tesla should have some liability.

Most of the crashes I’ve seen the people were not using the feature correctly.

wintermute_oregon ,

No, the majority of crashes I’ve seen. Nowhere does the marketing say read your email and take you hands off the wheel.

wintermute_oregon ,

It does both. Not immediacy but after about 30 seconds.

wintermute_oregon ,

I drive one every day but thanks

wintermute_oregon ,

That is a full self driving demo and has nothing to do with the Accidents. Full self driving and auto pilot are two different things.
When you sign up for fsd you agree to not take your hands off the wheel and pay extra attention.
Most of the accidents are autopilot which is enhanced cruise control.

wintermute_oregon ,

Autopilot and full self driving are not the same thing.

So I’m not sure the point you are trying to make?

wintermute_oregon ,

The article does not state they are the same thing. Did you actually read the article? Can you show me where it says they are the same in the article?

wintermute_oregon ,

I get it words don’t matter. Feelings are what’s important.

The autopilot on my Tesla is much better than the same technology on my Audi. Both technologies are easy to abuse. That isn’t Tesla’s fault. People need to follow the instructions.

Now there are a few cases where the technology completely failed when used correctly and that’s 100% Tesla’s fault in my opinion.

Are you arguing that it’s the people’s fault? Or are you just rambling because it’s Elon.

Or are you just arguing for god know what’s reason?

wintermute_oregon ,

For the Tesla it’s very easy to use correctly.

Compared to our old cruise control it’s a much better system.

Nothing can stop people from being idiots. Most of the accidents are people being idiots.

I have seen a few where 100% it was a Tesla failure and Tesla should be held 100% accountable for those.

wintermute_oregon ,

It’s clearly supported by the evidence. It’s cruise control. How complicated do you think cruise control is? You put your hands on the wheel and it maintains speed.

wintermute_oregon ,

Fsd is really sketchy. It either works like a dream or wants to kill you. It’s why you have to agree to a disclaimer when using it otherwise it’ll disable.

Autopilot if a fancy cruise control. It’s pretty solid but appears to have an issue with fire trucks. I know of one fatal accident where it drove into a firetruck without enough time to react. Tesla should be liable for that. Their product failed and they removed the radar that would have prevented that scenario.

I haven’t seen the video you are mentioning. It would be stupid for them to market that as a current feature. You must keep your hands on the wheel at all times in fsd. It might accelerate you full speed into oncoming traffic and the car is fast

wintermute_oregon ,

This is the stupidity I hate most about Tesla shills

This is why I hate most about people obsessed with Elon. They can’t have discussions. It’s all weird illogical wants over Elon.

Great engineers make genius innovations all the time to keep idiots from harming themselves or others

No. When cruise control first came out. It’d drive you right into another car. Auto pilot is just a fancy cruise control.

You can take a normal car and drive it into a wall. Tesla is no different. Using your logic a normal car shouldn’t be able to do that.

wintermute_oregon ,

Yeah, a responsible CEO

Elon isn’t reasonable. He shouldn’t be the ceo.

wintermute_oregon ,

Fsd us beta feature that requires you to pay extra attention and keep both hands ion the wheel.
That’s why instructions and disclaimers are important.

wintermute_oregon ,

Responsible car makers have changes that

No they haven’t. I have take by brand new Audi and drive it straight into a well.

They assist people in driving. You are still driving the car.

car makers do much, much better than Tesla

Incorrect. Auto pilot is less likely to be in an accident.

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-autopilot-eight-times-less-likely-accident/amp/

wintermute_oregon ,

Read the comment above. What does your comment have to do with either?

wintermute_oregon ,

The report doesn't explain why Teslas crashed at a higher rate than any other brand, only that it does

wintermute_oregon ,

Maybe because it has nothing to do with Tesla. It’s a EV thing. Tesla just makes more EV than anyone else. It’s interesting to note when people switch to gas, they have more accidents.

The acceleration is a valid reason. Since Tesla has good controls to compensate for it. People don’t get how quickly they can get to an insane soeed

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/01/18/business/why-do-people-keep-crashing-teslas

wintermute_oregon ,

People confuse auto pilot with full self driving. They are very different. AP is just assisted cruise control. I’ve had very few issues with it. Compared to my Audi, I love the Tesla AP.

Fsd is another beast. I have not tried 12 yet

wintermute_oregon ,

Here, you will see ford is under investigation for its system

https://techcrunch.com/2024/04/29/ford-bluecruise-investigation-nhtsa-fatal-crashes/#:~:text=Federal%20safety%20regulators%20have%20opened%20an%20into%20Ford%E2%80%99s,has%20confirmed%20BlueCruise%20was%20active%20in%20both%20crashes.

wintermute_oregon ,

It’s why Tesla is in the news. The same stats run similar for other EV but nobody cares.

The article explains it’s switch from gas to ev and ev to gas and not as much about Tesla

wintermute_oregon ,

From the article

Scherr’s statements echoed findings by insurance analysts at LexisNexis who found that, when vehicle owners switch from gasoline-powered cars to electric cars, they tend to crash more. Drivers also tend to crash somewhat more when switching to gas-powered vehicles, too, but the increase is more pronounced with EVs.
The increase in incidents is highest during the first year or so after drivers get the new electric vehicle, but then tapers off after that, according to LexisNexis, presumably as people get used to driving the new model. There is much less of a problem when a driver changes from a gasoline-powered vehicle to another gas-powered one, they found.
But LexisNexis researchers had previously noticed similar trends in China, where there are many more EVs – including more that aren’t Teslas.
Crashes are even more frequent in households with both a gas and an electric model, indicating that regularly switching from one to another exacerbates the issues. And the fact that crash frequency lessens with time also suggests that unfamiliarity has something to do with it, said Xiaohui Lu, head of EV research at LexisNexis Risk Solutions,

wintermute_oregon ,

I have not found an article that breaks down other EV since there are few of them and lumped in with brand as a whole.

https://www.thestreet.com/electric-vehicles/new-report-finds-tesla-drivers-are-the-most-accident-prone

You’ll see ram and Subaru are comparable to tesla

wintermute_oregon ,

They have the worst accident rates among all brands and their driving assist features either can’t keep idiots from making bad decisions or, worse, even amplify the dangerous effects that idiots create while driving

You need the study to clarify that. Oddly the first article says accidents but when you see how it’s defined, tickets such as spending are called an accident

wintermute_oregon ,

The driver assist is pretty damn good. It’s so good many people trust it to much. They’ll read email. Crawl in the back seat.
You can go to Amazon and buy things to make it seems like your hands are on the wheel.
Now the article did say EV are more likely to be read ended. I do wonder if that’s because of the phantom breaking.

wintermute_oregon ,

My thoughts were also about phantom breaking, but I don’t know if it is still an issue.

I haven’t had an issue with it for over a year but according to others it’s still a real issue. The car will just slam on the breaks for some odd reason. I don’t want to say no reason because the car thinks there is a valid reason but there isn’t.
I’m more likely to have the issue on a sunny day, by a bridge when I’m the only car in front of me.

Since I’m a conservative, I have many fans who follow me around and downvote anything I say. It’s sad they think that gives them power over me or that I care.

As long as someone is having a discussion. They’ll never get a downvote from me.

wintermute_oregon ,

Many people have no clue how taxes work, but darn it, they wanted them raised. It just encourages other behaviors, such as offshoring money, as many companies do.
We really need a complete write of the tax code to encourage paying workers well, creating jobs, etc and less focus on avoiding paying the taxes. I don't care if a company makes billions in profit if their workers are all paid well, treated well, etc. We will make it up with them having money to spend in the economy.

I am still not convinced VR is a worthy technology outside of a few niche uses. I went to the verge when that was open and that was pretty cool. At home is nothing like that.

wintermute_oregon ,

That is the real take away. They have a large waitlist but can’t seem to build them.

wintermute_oregon ,

I can afford one. It’s not that expensive.

wintermute_oregon ,

The average new car runs around 47k. The cyber truck is 60k. There isn’t a huge difference there.
The one I want is 80k. I latest have two cars. Both cost about 60k a piece. The truck can replace both of those.

wintermute_oregon ,

I always match my loans to the warranty. That way I don’t have a payment and repairs.

The problem for most people is car cost of went up and people want very expensive cars. I’ve seen people spend equivalent to their yearly income on a car

wintermute_oregon ,

I’ll decide when I hit my number. My main annoyance is the mileage isn’t what they originally claimed. That was the appeal was a 500 mile range. The the sweet spot for my driving needs. Why I have two cars. Otherwise I’d be all electric.

wintermute_oregon ,

Cars just keep going up. I had a Nissan I bought new for 17k. Tax credits. Aggressive discounting. Etc. is was a 40k car. I still have it but my kid drives It.
I choked when I bought my first Tesla. It was around 60k. I had the money but I’m just cheap on cars. They wear out and break. I don’t drive much since I work from home. I do travel for work but I often fly.
My friend bought a 90k truck. It’s insane.
I think two majors problems have to be solved for electric.

  1. Cost
  2. City charging - we need to make access available to condos, apartments, etc. it was going to cost 20k to add a charging station for my condo.

People complain about range but it’s not that bad.

wintermute_oregon ,

A lot less maintenance. Though they say tires go a lot faster but I haven’t had any issues.

All the parts are easy to access on the Tesla from what I can tell. No idea how hard they are to swap out but since Tesla builds most of them, you’d have to get them through Tesla.

There are companies that are working to repair the parts. Like fixing a motor rather than a unit replacement.

I’ve had zero mechanical issues with mine. The paint is 100% garbage. They claim it’s California emission laws but I suspect it’s something else. Any rock strike and you’ll lose paint. a car wash knocked off a large chunk. Tesla fixed it but it made me question the quality.

Apartments, condo, etc need access to a charger per unit. You need to be able to plugin on a regular basis. That is where I’d like to see more government money. Tesla has the highways fairly well covered.

wintermute_oregon ,

The reason I want 500 is the 280 or so I get is good most the time except when it’s very cold out. 500 would help during the summer and winter. When it’s super cold out I get Maybe 200 miles.

wintermute_oregon ,

You need a charger at your home. Otherwise they’re just not practical. Superchargers eat the batteries. Slow charges take to long to use except overnight.
There are a lot of rural charges but they’re low voltage. Can take hours if not days to charge your car

wintermute_oregon ,

Most people on lemmy just want buzzwords, catch phrases and group think.
Most Tesla recalls are ota. The pedal is concerning because if it does get stuck, it’s hard to just turn the car off.

wintermute_oregon ,

It fairs even better when you look at trucks. The average is over 60k for a truck which makes the cyber a steal.

Personally I don’t see it as a “truck”. It’s weird car

wintermute_oregon ,

I haven’t read on that yet. Car wash mode turns off certain features. I can’t remember which one to avoid the car fighting the wash

wintermute_oregon ,

They can make enough cars now. That’s the problem.

wintermute_oregon ,

Til

wintermute_oregon ,

Until the merger, Boeing was engineer-driven. They were well known for safety first and design over cost.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/30/business/boeing-history-of-problems/index.html

There are hundreds of articles on this topic and you rant without knowing the topic.

wintermute_oregon ,

They need to get back to the engineering mindset. This is why I think CEO bonuses on things like EPS are BS. It should be tied to things like engineering, safety, etc.

wintermute_oregon ,

That isn't true at all. Intel has a history of it, Boeing, Tesla, etc.

Many companies have a history of having a CEO who has product knowledge.

wintermute_oregon ,

For most CEO, Bonuses and stock options are the bulk of their pay.

I have no issues with either or even their pay, but I have no issues with regulations around it since they are public companies. I do have issues with a product that should be safe with any bonus tied to profitability. It should be tied to safety.

wintermute_oregon ,

It’s some weird rant that Isn’t relevant or accurate. The comment was they need to hire an engineer. That’s what Boeing use to do. That’s what many successful companies do that make products.

wintermute_oregon ,

https://www.ft.com/content/a8bfd0a3-2904-4b7e-a8e0-b5e04567c980

Now, I am a fan of this in general. I think unions should get a seat at the table.

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