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Prove it wrong: the fediverse is not as connected as we're told, and it's splintering even more now.

This is what makes the Fediverse so frustrating, been using: .

And no, they don’t speak to one another / find one another or are able to follow / like / reply to one another as one is told the Fediverse works.

The truth: some speak to some, and it rarely works both ways. Eg. Mastodon can do a lot more interacting with Lemmy, but not the other way around.

And then there are those that defederate from their own kind / federated social network, splintering the Fediverse even further apart.

Have had to either join new servers + delete current accounts, just because the server that was suggested, happened to be a server that others chose to defederate with.

Now with many accounts + many instances, been trying to find the best place to just have one space in the Fediverse + be able to communicate, follow and interact with other Fediverse users.

Maybe it’s this is wrong, but this has been the experience for almost a year now.

EDIT: APOLOGY

Seems like there are multiple posts, that was not the intention. :-(

English isn’t first language. Was trying to do the “change my mind” meme format they use on other sites to ask someone to prove you wrong, which is what was hoped for.

Apologies again.

This makes no sense, really sorry. Made a post and when looking for it, it just showed nothing. Look here is a screenshot of my personal feed. It only shows the comment on a fediverse post, which I then created into a stand-alone post, in hoping someone would be able to explain or prove me wrong.

And I can’t even go and delete the posts, as when looking inside the posts on my profile, it shows nothing either.

REALLY sorry for the multiple posts, thought the app was bugging out. :-(

Really sorry. Will check on laptop to see if I can find and delete the multiple posts from there…

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Ramin_HAL9001 ,

And no, they don’t speak to one another / find one another or are able to follow / like / reply to one another as one is told the Fediverse works.

This is true, it is a problem, but maybe not as big a problem as you think.

Kbin combines the data model of both Lemmy and Mastodon so Kbin can interact with both of them perfectly. Mastodon can interact in a limited way with Lemmy. Frendica and Pixelfed also work fairly well with Mastodon, so Kbin should be able to interact with both of those as well, although I have never tried. PeerTube is probably the least compatible, although I can upvote and post comments on PeerTube videos using my Mastodon account, and follow PeerTube accounts on Mastodon. But I can't create new PeerTube posts on Mastodon. I hope in time all of these different app services will be able to interact with each other more.

The most difficult thing right now is moderation tools. Right now, banning instances is very coarse, and it also deletes the entire social graph between instances, so people who were following each other lose their connections with each other, even after the ban is removed.

There are people working on solving that problem right now, but it might be a little while before the changes are spread throughout the network.

What I would like most is if I can create one ActivityPub account and use it on every ActivityPub service. This for me would be a perfect solution, because then I could use any app using a single account. I would also like to see it possible to ban instances temporarily without losing social connectivity, and I would like to see better moderation tools for individual user accounts being banned by an instance.

PlasticPigeon OP ,

What I would like most is if I can create one ActivityPub account and use it on every ActivityPub service. This for me would be a perfect solution, because then I could use any app using a single account.

This is exactly it, this is what it sounded like when doing research about the Fediverse online. So perhaps that is the thing, but one user said that they can connect to all of them from Friendica. That's the thing, it's just to follow them, not create new PF or PT or Kbin posts from say Mastodon or Friendica. Posts can be done on one's chosen instance, but the following would be so much more streamlined if it could be done from one place. :-) :-)

PanArab ,

I keep running into all kind of weird federation issues. I don't know if the reasons are technical or political. Point is, you can't see the whole fediverse using one account on one instance.

PlasticPigeon OP ,

HOPING TO EXPLAIN BETTER:

Sorry. Perhaps the thoughts were not clear, but have watched a lot of videos and even Wikipedia makes it seem like they are all social networks and that one can follow / post / reply on the other networks:

It isn’t about following everything and everyone, but about not wanting to have a Pixelfed account to follow a photographer, or not needing a Lemmy account to follow interesting topics, or not needing a Mastodon account to follow a blogger / writer. It is perhaps then a bit oversimplified on the “intro to the fediverse” videos / posts that’s been seen on the web. Was hoping to have one single account on any of the above, and then just interact from there, and not needing an account for every single one of them.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse

Sean ,
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@PlasticPigeon
I have a Mastodon account, and a Beehaw (more civil version of Lemmy, more moderation, no downvoting), and i have no pixelfed or peertube (fediverse YouTube) accounts and yet I can access any account/community/hashtag from any service by either of my accounts. Mastodon has a character limit that beehaw/lemmy doesn't but Mastodon is about following individuals while lemmy is about subreddit/community/magazine/etc that anyone can participate in.

PlasticPigeon OP ,

That's strange, as having tried Kbin, Mastodon, IceShrimp, etc. and a lot of times want to comment on other instances, like Beehaw an hour or so ago. And only Friendica was able to see it and interact.

Sean ,
@Sean@liberal.city avatar

@PlasticPigeon I can reply on Lemmy with Mastodon (with Mastodon character limit), and never tried to comment on pixelfed or peertube, but Beehaw can interact with all lemmy and kbin. I primarily use Mastodon and a secondarily Beehaw.

ImplyingImplications ,

There are 500 million posts on Twitter every day. Do you read them all? There are 2.8 million subreddits. Have you browsed them all? The internet is big. You're not going to be able to follow everything everywhere all at once.

I agree it's a bit more difficult finding all the stuff you like in the fediverse without a central authority telling you where to go, but I've managed to fill my feed with active communities. I might be missing something, but so is everyone else. It's humanly impossible to see it all.

0x1C3B00DA ,
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There are 500 million posts on Twitter every day. Do you read them all? There are 2.8 million subreddits. Have you browsed them all?

Nobody subscribes to every twitter acct or every subreddit so nobody is expecting to have every single post delivered to them. The fediverse has a legitimate problem where ppl don't actually receive all the posts of accts they're subscribed to. It's silly to compare what the OP is complaining about to not being able to see every post on twitter/reddit.

Ramin_HAL9001 ,

There are 500 million posts on Twitter every day. Do you read them all? There are 2.8 million subreddits. Have you browsed them all? The internet is big. You’re not going to be able to follow everything everywhere all at once.

That is not really the point though. Suppose there are 2.8 million forums on Kbin or Lemmy. If you join an instance of any ActivityPub app, can you talk to any of those 2.8 million? Can you interact with all of the precise subset of forums that interest you? You can choose an instance to join, but you have to know ahead of time all the instances you want to interact with, and your interests might change over time. Or you have to create and maintain multiple accounts.

This isn't exactly sustainable for individual users.

Floon ,

I would chalk most of that up to relative nascence, and mostly volunteer labor. I would expect things to improve. In the meantime, I'm fine with my lemmy and mastodon instances, and don't feel a lack of much.

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