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Hot Take: Stop Recommending Windows-y Linux Distros

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/12882347

Listen, I understand the appeal of recommending user-friendly, beginner-oriented distros like Linux Mint or Zorin OS that may feel very familiar to long-time Windows users. They provide a familiar desktop environment and try to ease the transition. However, by doing so, we risk perpetuating a mindset that Linux is merely a free alternative to Windows, rather than a fundamentally different (and we'd probably say superior) approach to computing.

Linux's true strength lies in its open-source nature, flexibility, and adherence to the principles of free software. Recommending distros that emulate the proprietary, closed-source look and feel of Windows subtly undermines these core values and does a disservice not just to the Linux community but also to the new users coming to these operating systems. We are essentially trying to promote Linux without the caveat that your muscle memory is going to be challenged by a new environment, which ... it definitely will be, in one way or another. We cannot keep trying so hard to accommodate those that prioritize the familiarity they have with Windows as something that needs to remain in their Linux experience; people need to be willing to try something new when they try Linux.

Instead of promoting "Windows-y" distros, we should encourage newcomers to embrace the diversity of Linux by recommending distros that exemplify its unique philosophies. Distros like Fedora, openSUSE, Arch Linux, and others are a good start; maybe GNOME's desktop paradigm is what someone's been missing all their life, and they don't think they hate the start menu desktop paradigm, but they begin to! Maybe an unbreakable immutable/atomic distro is exactly what your elderly relative needs, and their needs are met by Flatpaks! Maybe getting down and dirty with the command line is uncomfortable for your techy friend at first, but they begin to love it in no time!

By exposing newcomers to a unique Linux from the start, we not only provide them with a potentially superior computing experience but also foster a deeper understanding and appreciation for the principles that drive the open-source movement. There is no Linux distro that is EXACTLY like Windows, and people asking for this or something close to this should simply continue to use Windows!

Additionally, recommending unique distros that aren't based on Microsoft's paradigms ensures that the demand for non-Windows-y Linux experiences remains strong, encouraging developers and communities to continue innovating and pushing the boundaries of what free and open-source software can look like.

Let's take pride in Linux's unique identity, and promote distros that embody its essence. By doing so, we not only enrich the newcomers' experience but also strengthen the entire Linux ecosystem, ensuring its continued growth and relevance. There is no "better Windows" in Linux-land, because in order to be entirely better than Windows, Linux is often very different!

Guenther_Amanita ,

I downvoted the post here, because I think it doesn't belong into Linuxmemes.
But even though I disagree in some way, I upvoted the original post in c/Linux, because I think you spent quite some time writing it.
I'll discuss my thoughts with you in the other thread ✌️

Crow ,

Let me fight elitism with more elitism: when looking at a distro you only see the desktop environment and its defaults. You don't even understand in what ways mint is different from windows because you probably don't even interact with the deeper stuff. You only see the start menu and nothing else. You probably distrohop only for a different DE because you don't know how to switch it without a full reinstall of a completely new OS. You probably don't even understand in what other ways distros differ, so when looking for what you want to install you just look at the pretty little pictures instead of actually reading what the distro is about. You're a distro elitist for the wrong reason and I hereby banish you from the distro elitism club

k1ra_keks ,

I wholeheartedly disagree with this. When I recommend say mint, I always talk about the variety of other linux desktops and about open source software. I also tell people that mint is a good start if you want to use less proprietary software, but I also tell people that there is much more to linux. If they want to stick with mint, thats their choice and fine.

However: what I disagree the most with is recommending Arch (or the likes) to a new user. Arch is not just fundamentally different than windows (just like the rest of linux) it also does not help the user at all and RTFM-elitists are just gonna scare people off.

Mint is a perfect gateway drug into linux FULLSTOP.

Exhibit a: me. I started on mint back in the day. Went to other ubuntu based distros and ended up using Arch as a daily driver. This post is a bullshit take written by a gatekeeper that fears to be less special when common users start using linux. (At least thats my hot take)

Edit: And I came here for memes honey

Zaros ,
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In general and if you don't know the person you're making the recommendation to, agreed. But I know several people I'd definitely recommend (and have recommended) Arch to as the first distro. Even just the installation process is so educational, it's a worthy starting point, after some general youtube videos perhaps. If someone just wants to take Linux for a quick test drive, Arch definitely isn't the way to go.

Although, I'll admit I'm not sure how to describe the type of people I'd recommend it to. If their interest is less practical, and more theoretical. Or if they get really into their hobbies and like to tinker and poke at things to see what happens. Or if they just have an endless curiosity and need to understand. Surprisingly many people I know fall into these categories.

haui_lemmy ,
@haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com avatar

Thinly veiled elitism at its best.

No.

tourist ,
@tourist@lemmy.world avatar

hot take: my dog stole my burrito after it came out the microwave

rtxn ,

That's a terrible idea, and you sound like a stallmanite.

What feels like non-Windows-y to an experienced user will feel alien, often downright hostile to a new user. In such an encounter, they're likely to go back to an OS that won't gatekeep itself.

DmMacniel ,

Is Stallmanite an actual term?

rtxn ,

I've seen other people use it, around the time of the libreboot controversy.

PlasticExistence ,

Shadowy Palpatine: "I will make it a term."

HenchmanNumber3 ,

I'm going to be disappointed if you didn't type this out on a command line.

promitheas ,
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I started with ubuntu initially, and appreciate the fact that it wasnt entirely foreign to me coming from windows. Being a techy person, whenever something broke I obviously had to use the terminal to fix it (because all forum posts online use it for troubleshooting) but it was nice to ease into it. Once I got comfortable with that I then moved on to more non-windows like distributions, and eventually ended up where I am now - with arch and a tiling window manager - something entirely different to windows. If I had started with this Im not sure I would have stuck it out.

So my take on your take is that while you have valid points, we need to always take situations with context. Sure, I wouldn't (and don't) recommend super windows-like distros to the guys at my work (IT) who are more technically capable, but if my grandmother or grandfather used computers and for whatever reason we needed to make the switch to linux, I would try to make the transition as seamless and familiar as possible, so I might even have made their UI look like windows. Computers are tools at the end of the day, and every person has something different they want to get out of them.

savvywolf ,
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If you're asking on a forum like this, then you presumably aren't that interested in trying new and experimental ways of using your computer - you just want something that "works".

Maybe it ends up being a gateway to further experimentation with UIs, or maybe you just want to stick with something that works for you. Either way is fine.

Let's not gatekeep and say that to use Linux you have to fall in love with the open source and free software movement. It's fine to use Linux because you don't want Windows' tracking or it's 2025 and you don't have a TPM. It's fine to want something that's similar to what you're used to.

I personally think UI design peaked with Gnome 2 and everything since then has been trying too hard to be different.

Also... What makes a look and feel "proprietary" and "closed source"? Like, they don't block other people from copying it.

SturgiesYrFase ,
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When I have a friend or family member who wants to try linux, I sit them down with a bunch of live USBs and we try out a variety of different distros. I definitely let them try the usual suspects, mint, a small selection of buntus, but also a flavour or two of Arch, and a couple of Fedora. Surprisingly they (there's only been 5, so like 3/5) usually go for not mint or buntu.

DmMacniel ,

Where is meme?

SturgiesYrFase ,
@SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml avatar

Meme is the distros we tried along the way.

guskikalola ,
@guskikalola@vivaldi.net avatar

@SturgiesYrFase @DmMacniel Uwuntu my beloved

PlasticExistence ,

How dare you! Hannah Montana Linux is serious business.

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