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prole ,
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Man, the way that headline begins, I thought he had died.

On a macabre, but related, note: how long after Gabe's death before Steam goes public and turns to shit? I'd give it 6 months.

intensely_human ,

Just so we’re clear here, it’s the game marketplace called Steam. Not just, you know, steam.

kureta ,

Before Gaben, there was only vapour. He invented, nay, created steam.

Kolanaki ,
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First news I hear since hearing about Gabe working on BCIs and it's just... An announcement of something that was already known. 😮‍💨

Toes ,
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Half-Life 3 is gonna be full dive VR.

nossaquesapao ,

Which implies that the brain-computer interface will never be viable as a product

admiralteal ,

You mean Half Life: Full Dive, followed by Half Life: Full Dive 2. The second in a trilogy never to be finished.

lemann ,

shudders thinking about SAO

Toes ,
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Welcome to city 17, Kirito

taanegl ,
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You'll have to install it onto your soul, once again revolutionising the video game industry - and the world at large.

Gosh darn it, Newell. It's too much winning. So much good faith. Leave some for the rest of us! Look at Elon! He's dying over there!

eveninghere ,

Imagine you damage the brain cells to quit the game. Instant isekai irl.

Bartsbigbugbag ,

This is rather old news, predating Neuralink entirely even. There used to be an unlisted YouTube video by Gray(Grey?) Newell that showed off what they were working on back a few years ago, too.

mozz OP ,
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Yeah. I've been out of the loop apparently, because today was the first that I heard of it.

averyminya ,

Haha glad that I brought it up on your radar! I like this one cause it seems much more medically oriented, vs. Neurolink existing "just because it can".

Which normally, I don't really have an issue with. I think it's great to do things just because we can (within reason ofc!), but I am definitely more skeptical of the fraud-Hyperloop flamethrower space-car man.

mozz OP ,
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Yeah. Gaben has a strong track record of bringing technology to the market that works, from a company that wasn't already around and doing things better overall before he got involved with it.

firecat ,

Not the strongest because Steam Machines with Alienware had problems and way too early during development of Proton that games couldn’t handle well. The controller was stolen IP and is still currently fighting the lawsuit. VR games are not great as people expected and rarely do new VR games arrived. Leaving the VR headset in storage for mostly the owners life. Lastly, the Steam Deck original has problems and announced updates or free ifix fixes just to not have drifting problems. Still the Steam Deck after the original has some issues with compatibility and deleting their data every update.

The company has poor track records for hardware. Valve is like the Sony of gaming, they lie about stuff and make you sign up to download the game in their closed ecosystem.

mozz OP ,
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I hadn't heard of most of this, and it's sort of an avalanche, so I picked out one particular part to check out in a lot of detail and see if it held up.

The controller was stolen IP

Looks to me like they had buttons on the back of the controller in some way which infringed on one of 105 patents that SCUF holds on specific parts of controller design, and they sued Valve a year after Valve had stopped using the design anyway.

I'm not qualified to say whether SCUF actually invented something no one else would have thought of, and then Valve deliberately copied them on it, but I'm skeptical. I lean a little more towards the side of "SCUF patented something somewhat obvious, and then wanted Valve to pay them rent in order to set their buttons up in a sensible fashion."

But at the very least, saying that it's demonstrated that it was "stolen" is, to me, not accurate.

and is still currently fighting the lawsuit

This part is objectively not true, unless there's some glacially slow appeals process I'm not aware of. It looks like the whole thing finished in 2021. Am I wrong?

averyminya ,

I've had conversations with this person before, in my opinion many of the things they fault Valve for are... extreme nitpicking.

Also, IMO Corsair's patents are BS and are drastically inhibiting accessibility controller availability. Their stranglehold on something as simple as buttons on the backside of a controller shouldn't be lauded.

mozz OP ,
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Yeah. I was around in the games industry way back when the big publishers had a total stranglehold on the whole arena, and Steam was this magic thing that enabled non-AAA games to actually break in in a big way and achieve sales above the double digits, and on top of that I generally like Valve's games. I was sort of wondering if this is a "live long enough to see yourself become the villain" type of thing, where my good feelings towards Valve aren't warranted anymore in the present day.

But, judging by what I saw when I grabbed one of this person's assertions at random and held it up to the light to examine in it detail for objective truth, I don't think it's based on a reasoned and objective basis. What it is based on, I have no idea.

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jarfil ,
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Neuralink has a technology that specifically addresses two of the main issues with BCI: data density, and implant effective duration.

There are more issues, but it addresses those two in particular, which is something quite interesting to see, and can be turned into patents that can be sold to other BCI initiatives.

The rest of Musk is... well, he's kind of an "unstable genius", with enough money to blow on random moonshots, marketing stunts, and random publicity. Honestly, if I had his money, I'd probably do the same: build a few core businesses, then go on tangents to see what sticks to the wall. It can all still be seen under the general theme of "colonizing Mars" though, which is a guiding starshot as good as any, with Hyperloop and Boring company having kind of exhausted what can be done on Earth, Tesla being a borderline failure, SpaceX, StarLink, or indoor farming working pretty well, and X being an experiment at social manipulation.

averyminya ,

Taking his ethics and actions out of the equation for a second -- I would have no issues with his businesses weren't scamming states out of legitimate transportation and fucking with people just because he could.

While dangerous, I'm not really against the idea of selling flamethrowers, kind of. It is kind of the American right, which may be dumb, but fuck if I have anything to say about it. And while it produces a lot of space junk, I'm not against Starlink or SpaceX. especially the former since it does do a lot of good. Coverage in the middle of the U.S. is not good, and anything more is good.

Ultimately what it comes down to is the fact that the more money tends to side on less regulation, and reintroducing ethics and actions into the mix he is abusing that. The flamethrower ploy could have been snark against the United States for not having regulation on that (if it were something that were actually important, that may have mattered...), and similarly the Hyperloop scheme could have been some form of commentary on how easy it is for a billionaire to manipulate voters with obvious pipe-dreams, then gone ahead with the high speed train plan.

Instead, he gets butthurt and lashes out. I know we're on the same page, if anything I'm disappointed specifically because he is in a position to be doing a lot of good, has convinced some people that he is.

Annoyed_Crabby ,

Neurolink existing "just because it can".

"Aperture Science, we do what we must because we can"

You guys seeing this shit?

Joke aside, iirc Neurolink already been used on disabled people, allowing them to use a computer easily. Whether it will have any use case on healthy people it's still not clear so far.

DarkSirrush ,

Neurolink has been used on 1 disabled person, and it was "working" for about 2 weeks before it was announced there are "problems" with the connection to the brain.

Oh, and it has killed a bunch of monkeys.

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As one eagle-eyed user on the site formerly known as Twitter pointed out earlier in the week, the website for Newell's Neuralink competitor, Starfish Neuroscience, has been updated to reflect its forthcoming wares.

Newell, who is president and cofounder of Steam's parent company Valve, has also promoted the tech's other, far more sci-fi-esque use cases — including, as he told a New Zealand news station back in 2021, the ability to edit one's feelings.

At the time, Gaben was working on developing a BCI headset, though it seems now that Starfish is, like its Elon Musk-founded competitor, interested in "minimally-invasive" brain implants.

Besides bringing his BCI endeavor out of stealth, the famously reclusive billionaire has also been embroiled in an antitrust lawsuit alleging that Steam is essentially running a monopoly on PC gaming and charging exorbitant fees in the process.

He also, as the yachting blog Luxury Launches reported in February, sold his 220-foot megayacht, which he'd converted into a mobile hospital during the beginning of the pandemic.

It's clearly been an interesting few months for Gaben — though given that lawyers are collecting sign-ons for the class-action lawsuit against Steam, he may need some help raising money for Starfish once the settlements start being paid out.

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