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Cocodapuf ,

The irony would be thick if this satellite were launched on a next-Gen methane fueled rocket.

(That is the trend now, kerosene and hydrogen are out, methane is in.)

doctorcrimson ,

About to be the only reason anybody looks into North Dakota.

Igloojoe ,

Google detecting farts from space.

Adds your fart map to your monthly gmaps timeline!

doctorcrimson ,

I think aside from Cattle a large source of Methane Emissions would be Flare Stacks from Pumpjack Locations. Technically it's illegal to burn off the excess natural gas, but the punishment is a fine.

Land_Strider ,

Curious to see how this will flame the "China making up all the bad gases" data simplification while it will omit everything else in that regard as they won't be its business.

Pretzilla , (edited )

The supposition currently is Russia is a huge emitter, especially Siberia as the permafrost melts.

These positive feedback mechanisms are the sleeping giant.

It will be very useful to track this over time.

nexusband ,
@nexusband@lemmy.world avatar

Siberia isn't the permafrost melting - those emissions correlate to known Oil and Gas Wells, that mostly have been just left open, so that they can be used easily again. Melting permafrost is still releasing relatively little.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

I work in O&G and my own firm just spent the last three years hunting for and patching pipe leaks by looking for methane emissions.

This is something they've been crowing about for a while, but its been a problem for decades that only got treated as something worth fixing when the cost of aerial reconnaissance dropped. Its a classic negative externality that energy companies simply don't want to acknowledge until the price is right.

If you think this is the only case in which lax regulation has left the lid off Pandora's box, don't ask what was up with the BP oil rig explosion or look to hard into the number of gas leaks polluting the Mississippi river or... really... ask any questions at all about the state of safety and soundness of O&G infrastructure.

nexusband ,
@nexusband@lemmy.world avatar

Yep...makes Synthetic fuels an even more no-brainer for me personally. Granted, it doesn't for those companies and lobbyists because it's going to be a lot more expensive initially, but if there's really a will to do something against climate change, the first thing to do should be taxing those companies doing this shit willfully and knowingly to hell and back.
A few wind turbines with some electrolysis machines suddenly become a lot cheaper.

And it's a Win-Win for everyone - lots of people keep their jobs, execs keep getting money and I can keep driving ICE - and no extra co2, methan or other gasses are being released. And with these Satellites, there's actually a way to keep companies from being shit.

But that may very well be a bit too utopian...

dangblingus ,

Google of course, being one of the biggest polluters on Earth, knows that Real Recognizes Real.

Creating and parsing this data set would also create a shitload more carbon emissions and necessitate building more datacenters, wouldn't it?

HerbalGamer ,
@HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works avatar

So if you could theoretically let out a big enough fart, it would be visible on Google Maps.

lolcatnip ,

Cane here to see how people were gonna spin this as a bad thing. Was not disappointed.

dangblingus ,

The visualization of the data, while interesting and informative, is created by pooping out a shitload more carbon. So it's like Leo using a private jet to fly to COP to tell everyone to fly less.

Nurgle ,

Aside from Googles claims that they’re carbon neutral and only use/purchase renewable, how much carbon is this going to create?

dangblingus ,

Yeah, Google aint carbon neutral. Carbon credits are fake. You can't pay another country to add your emissions to theirs and say that you're neutral. That's greenwashing. Good question though about the carbon emissions. I don't have any data to draw on, but it would be some kind of function of how many PCs/server racks are responsible for processing the data.

hedgehog ,

Carbon credits are fake.

Carbon credits should instead be a tax - one that every major corporation has to pay based off their carbon emissions, and the funds should be used exclusively to fund renewable energy sources, renewable goods manufacturing, and to repair the damage done by traditional fuels.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Carbon credits should instead be a tax

Money being fungible, its all functionally the same. But our business-friendly government officials tend to be stingy with taxes and generous with credits. So its politically more expedient for the legislature to offer large bounties on plugged pipes than to pass a large penalty on unplugged ones.

That's because of a little thing called "kickbacks" which keep the whole engine of publicly funded commerce running. My carbon capture credit becomes your campaign donation becomes next years "My rival punched a baby" screamer news ad plus hush money for the mom of the baby I punched six months ago.

danc4498 ,

Soon they’ll be selling methane credits to the oil companies.

redfox ,
@redfox@infosec.pub avatar

They'll need to start consuming all that extra electricity to power LLMs to analyze climate change data🤔

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

So it’s like Leo using a private jet to fly to COP

No. It's like Leo using a cheap little 20 lb drone to find a BP oil rig explosion, report it back to the company, and tell them to plug the leak.

KingThrillgore ,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

Before you get excited, farts have on average about <0.01% methane. Its mostly hydrogen sulfide.

Mog_fanatic ,

Party pooper

Imgonnatrythis ,

Just means I need to make more. I'm gonna get on the map, just you wait.

mydude ,

Reminder: "The Nord Stream gas leak emitted up to 500,000 tons of methane : NPR"

Pretzilla ,

That written looks way more impressive than 0.5 Mega tons, or 0.0005Gt, which is how global emissions are often noted.

Now I'm curious how it ranks in scale with other emissions

LarryTheMatador ,
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    nulluser ,

    The partnership between Google and the Environmental Defense Fund

    I interpret that to mean that Google is getting paid for this work. They're not doing it out of kindness.

    ETA: So, yes, PR BS.

    alpha_dog ,

    It seems like media spin more than PR BS. The EDF should be the company being recognised as they appear to be accountable for the program and the article quotes the EDF directly.

    I expect google probably is better click bait.

    jaybone ,

    Isn’t media spin PR BS?

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    Not as bullshit as you give it credit for. This is tech Google already needs to deploy for its generic roll in data collection / land surveying. Now they get to show off a degree of granularity, flex for the public so they can improve their image, AND provide a lucrative service to the cash-rich O&G industry looking for a cheap way to rack in tax credits.

    It is more just convenient.

    cabron_offsets ,

    Fuck me, Google is doing something good.

    Tetsuo ,

    They remembered their old moto for a split second.

    Vex_Detrause ,

    It's hard to trust in companies now. I bet the news in the following months is "Methane increasing green house gasses more than fossil fuel. Look at this colorful, interactive map from Google!"

    Silentiea ,
    @Silentiea@lemm.ee avatar

    But... Methane is fossil fuel?

    Imgonnatrythis ,

    They will fuck this up / drop it. History ensures this.

    DannyMac ,
    @DannyMac@lemmy.world avatar

    They realized that biosphere collapse wouldn't be profitable in the long run.

    killeronthecorner ,
    @killeronthecorner@lemmy.world avatar

    Great, now I have to worry about this every time I order a curry

    Yokozuna ,

    GIS nerds unite!

    But seriously, great way to see the technology used and data distributed. One day I can only hope to grasp a more complete understanding of the software and how to apply it to do shit like this.

    cashews_best_nut ,
    @cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world avatar

    Nothing Google dies excites or even interests me

    squid_slime ,
    @squid_slime@lemmy.world avatar

    Idk, I'm anti google, degoogled phone, no google connection like accounts or using they're search engine but this is a net positive.

    They've not earned my respect but large platforms doing this stuff could open peoples eyes to world issues.

    cashews_best_nut ,
    @cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world avatar

    It'll be shut down within 2yrs and forgotten. Just like their Mars & Moon Maps and a million other things.

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