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nudnyekscentryk ,
@nudnyekscentryk@szmer.info avatar

Clickbait: this is about 2015

kumatomic ,

I remember how much better things were when nobody knew who this jerk was.

KingThrillgore ,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

We're disappointed it didn't finish the job.

Th4tGuyII ,
@Th4tGuyII@kbin.social avatar

“We’re trying to have those conversations with Elon to establish what the sensors would need to do,” Baglino added. “And they were really difficult conversations, because he kept coming back to the fact that people have just two eyes and they can drive the car.”

Yes, and people crash cars all the time Elon...

If you want an autopilot with the failure rate of a human, then you might only need two eyes. If you want an autopilot with a near zero failure rate, you need much better telemetry data

ringwraithfish ,

And people turn their heads, move their eyes across their windshield, change focus to look ahead or closer, look in their mirrors, listen for sounds (emergency vehicles, car honks, etc), are able to do things like look through gaps and other car windows to adjust to partial obstructions.

The fact that he doesn't realize you need a multitude of sensors to do even a little bit of what a human can do tells you all you need to know about Elon's so called brilliance.

HarkMahlberg ,
@HarkMahlberg@kbin.social avatar

Even the social aspect of driving eludes him. You and another driver come up to a 4 way stop at the same time, crossing paths. They wave you on to be polite. You wave back and go first. How and when does he plan to handle that behavior?

Paradox ,
@Paradox@lemdro.id avatar

Or the asocial, where you come up to a stop sign, look right, see a guy coming way too fast to stop in time, and don't go till after he's blown through the intersection

Tristaniopsis ,

When BMW comes up with their autopilot, it will handle that situation by ignoring all social cues, or even road rules for that matter and just doing what it likes regardless of anyone else on the road. It will also probably have a little rubber hand permanently giving the middle finger, which can extend and retract from the front of the hood, where the little ornaments used to go.

GamingChairModel ,

Our heads are just loaded with sensory capabilities that are more than just the two eyes. Our proprioception, balance, and mental mapping allows us to move our heads around and take in visual data from almost any direction at a glance, and then internally model that three dimensional space as the universe around us. Meanwhile, our ears can process direction finding for sounds and synthesize that information with our visual processing.

Meanwhile, the tactile feedback of the steering wheel, vibration of the actual car (felt by the body and heard by the ears), give us plenty of sensory information for understanding our speed, acceleration, and the mechanical condition of the car. The squeal of tires, the screech of brakes, and the indicators on our dash are all part of the information we use to understand how we're driving.

Much of it is trained through experience. But the fact is, I can tell when I have a flat tire or when I'm hydroplaning even if I can't see the tires. I can feel inclines or declines that affect my speed or lateral movement even when there aren't easy visual indicators, like at night.

ikidd ,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

To be fair, 98% of drivers seem to barely be able to hold a straight line and can't see past the end of their hood, let alone do shoulder checks and be able to hear anything over the stereo turned up to 11. So I'd take my chances with the half-baked autopilot that can at least discern what a red light looks like.

I followed one gentleman for about 10 blocks before he stopped and I could tell him that he was missing the entire tire on the rear left of his car. There were a lot of sparks and metal screeching. Not a clue.

xavier666 ,
@xavier666@lemm.ee avatar

Just adding to your point, when F1 drivers were asked to play a racing sim, they could not perform like real life because they said no matter how good the sim is, it doesn't provide the feedback of a real car.

nova_ad_vitum ,

Anybody else remember the now-removed Tesla blog post from 2016 arguing that FSD will require LIDAR? Idk why they' (Elon) are so stubborn about it. It can see through fog and darkness . Add that data to their model and they would probably already be near deployment readiness of real FSD.

mosiacmango ,

Automotive lidar costs around $500-1000 to add to a car.

That's it. That's the whole reason.

100_kg_90_de_belin ,

Is Elin really this dense? People have two eyes and milions of years of evolution behind them.

We tamed massive animals to use them as means of transportation, ffs.

luciferofastora ,

He's the epitome of Cognitive Bias. He knoes a little, enough to think he knows enough, but not to recognise just how much there actually is to know. His own narcissism¹ and self-image as a genius would never allow him to critically reflect and question whether he might be wrong.

He's like the type of engineer that will abstract a premise to a concise and calculable model, solve the problem on paper, then assume the rest is implementation details. Except he doesn't even do the modeling - he takes the layman's approach to technology and biology where he assumes that it should be doable to replicate what biology does with machines.

Nevermind that biology is still flawed and you'd have to significantly outdo biology for a technology to reach public acceptance.

¹I'm not a psychiatrist nor familiar enough with him to actually diagnose a Narcissistic Personality Disorder, but his behaviour lines up with my lay understanding of it, so I'll use that shorthand. The irony of applying my own lay understanding while criticising his is not lost on me, but I hold that my assessment doesn't put anyone's life at risk.

uphillbothways ,
@uphillbothways@kbin.social avatar

Autopilot engineers in meeting: 'Oh, hi.... You're.... here.'

Entropius ,
@Entropius@lemmy.world avatar

LiDAR is essentially radar that uses light instead of sound

Radar doesn’t use sound. It sounds like the author doesn’t know the difference between sonar and radar.

Ganondorf ,
@Ganondorf@kbin.social avatar

This is why comments are so useful. I was already on the fence about viewing a site named futurism and your comment made sure I will avoid it moving forward.

ABCDE ,

I think that's a big qualm of mine in terms of the sources allowed here, and I suppose it will take time to weed out the trustworthy from the not.

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@kbin.social avatar

Why does the word futurism put you the fence?

xkforce ,

A lot of articles that either use that buzzword or are published by sites that have that in their name are utter garbage. i.e rediculous predictions, inaccurate headlines/content etc.

anlumo ,

Futurists are people who cosplay as scientists predicting stuff they have no clue about.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please ,

Yeah, it uses radio frequencies. RaDAR stands for “Radio Detection And Ranging”. It uses radio waves (usually in the microwave bandwidth) to detect things. Basically, since those radio waves are affected by the Doppler effect, you can have a computer do some math to determine the speed of whatever those waves reflected off of. Because the Doppler effect changes a wave based on how fast an object is moving relative to an observer. So if you’re a stationary observer, you can figure out how fast an object is moving relative to yourself, purely based on how much that moving object changes the waves you’re reflecting off of it.

Slotos ,

Every wave is affected by Doppler effect.

When a car rushes your way, it’s a tiny bit bluer, a little bit hotter, it’s drivers’ phone is operating on a slightly higher frequency and it sounds higher. According to you.

randommilkmake ,

Why are you misquoting the article that is not what it says

The real quote

LiDAR is essentially radar that uses light instead of radio waves...

Entropius ,
@Entropius@lemmy.world avatar

Why are you misquoting the article that is not what it says

Why are you accusing me of something I didn’t do?

From the bottom of the article:

Updated to correct an error in describing how radar works.

I quoted it correctly at the time. They just edited it after I commented.

Dasnap ,
@Dasnap@lemmy.world avatar

It was set to protect human lives, so it made the only logical play.

malloc OP ,

Just need to sneak in this code

if (facialMatch(elon)) { haltAndCatchFire(); }

lustrum ,

Also I bet he's more mad it was video'd and publicised.

Empricorn ,

I will never advocate violence, but factually the entire country would be better off if that Tesla vehicle had succeeded.

alienanimals ,

Literally every single day we have idiots doing Musk’s PR work for free.

Downvote Musk spam. The billionaire doesn’t need your help ensuring his businesses stay in the 24 hour news cycle.

malloc OP ,

Counter point: If I didn’t hear how badly he runs his businesses, or how bad his company’s products are. I would have easily bought one or more of his products.

I have backed out of Tesla pre-orders because of the bad publicity, many reports of bad build quality, and terrible business decisions.

If this was a puff piece, I honestly wouldn’t have bothered posting it.

ClarkDoom ,

Most people on the entire planet are aware of how shitty he is at this point. Everyone that would not purchase a product related to him is already not buying said product. There’s no more people to convince. Don’t act like a white knight while degrading the content in this community.

I swear this specific community is turning more people off to lemmy than any other. These type of posts are why.

pivot_root ,

Most people on the entire planet are aware of how shitty he is at this point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_consensus_effect

And

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/h45mt3xoby/econTabReport.pdf

Section 49, where 64% of people either liked him or didn't know enough about him to have an opinion.

FilthyHands ,
@FilthyHands@sh.itjust.works avatar

go autopilot go!

Pistcow ,

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