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Brickardo ,

Bad ending: you refused to use corporative happy-go-round lingo in your post

TechNerdWizard42 ,

Yup, had them lock an account before. Never gave them my info. Had to start a new account and actively work around their fraud protections with fingerprinting. And eventually reconnect. Pain in the butt.

You have zero recourse and no appeal process. Even uploading an ID doesn't guarantee anything.

PsyDoctah9Jah ,
@PsyDoctah9Jah@lemmy.world avatar

We've given up too much control.... the damage is done.

I'll be happy to see Reddit go down ! There moderation policy. Overly sensitive practices, inconsistent behavior, and cowardly moderators ruined the platform....... don't breathe too loud, you'll get banned...smh

Eyedust ,
@Eyedust@lemmy.world avatar

Kind of bs, seeing as how I use my friend's account (with permission) to access the free Udemy courses that his career provides him and I've never seen this. Figures they'd nail legitimate users and completely miss people who abuse the system. Typical Microsoft.

Hope an alternative comes someday; I've always disliked LinkedIn.

CulturedLout ,

Having the same problem. I have to get an affidavit of identity just to delete the account because ther is no way I'm giving them my ID.

cyberpunk007 ,

What? You can't simply delete your account? Bleh. I'm so ready to get rid of it. It's like Facebook.

CulturedLout ,

I'm very sorry I ever made an account for sure.

peopleproblems ,

The amount of jobs I've gotten through LinkedIn: 0.

The number of people I have found from highschool/college/random person on the street who I can't find in Facebook: waaaaaay too many. If it didn't tell you who was looking for you, linkedin would be far creepier of a stalking tool. I mean, shit I've found people I've only seen a picture of. Now I know where they work, where they used to work, and went to school. By extension I now also know where they likely used to live and at least the general area that they live now (provided they don't work remote that is).

The more I think about LinkedIn, the more I want to remove my profile.

pdxfed ,

The #1 feature they won't add: I hated this job.

They always show industry jobs and suggested connections from all your jobs...if they were human and not interested in maximizing data suck they would have talked to 3-5 users out of their millions and realized people have bad job experiences and want to delete the memory, not be reprompted about it for eternity. Also, even when you decline a suggested person, imagine your worst coworker, they suggest them again later. Fucking stupid robot company

Tja ,

Another anecdote: my life completely changed because of a random recruiter on LinkedIn offered me a job I didn't even know existed. Doubled my salary from one day to the next. Three years later, another recruiter added another 50% bump.

misk ,
@misk@sopuli.xyz avatar

I found my current and previous job via LinkedIn but I applied through company recruitment portals. It's an ok job board / aggregator for us corporate types. You just have to ignore extremely deranged and deluded people posting ego stroke fests and the most inane advice.

Wiz ,

For a grad school project last year, I proposed a Fediverse version of LinkedIn, with the ability to find and hire people for projects.

It's just in the proposition stage, but I got pretty excited about it. If allowed the opportunity, I might work on it as my capstone project early next year.

bamfic ,

please do this

balder1991 ,

That’s something I’d volunteer to contribute.

MonkderDritte ,

I have a blackened image (only photo and name visible) around for cases like this.

Bonje OP ,
@Bonje@lemmy.world avatar

I was about to upload that.
Then turns out they use a third party to process this...

During the sign-up process, they referenced even more third parties... so I gave up.

I consent to Persona collecting, using, and utilizing its third-party service providers to process my biometric information in order to verify my identity for fraud prevention, in accordance with the Persona's Privacy Policy. Your biometric information will be stored for no longer than 6 months.

MonkderDritte ,

Yikes.

TeNppa ,

Lots of answers here but here's my experience:
I was met with the same screen and there was no way in hell I would send any picture of my id over the internet. So I had to create a Twitter account to contact LinkedIn support (yeah they only have support on Twitter....) and I explained to them the situation and they were able to bring my account back up. I suggest you try that route also.

Fiivemacs ,

I suggest you don't deal with any company that forces you to speak to them via 3rd party channels. If they can't afford an email or phone number...they flat out shouldn't exist.

Bonje OP ,
@Bonje@lemmy.world avatar

I've reached out. Felt shit to log in to twitter again but they have no other means of contact. It's insane.

TeNppa ,

Did you get any help from there?

Bonje OP ,
@Bonje@lemmy.world avatar

No response. Its been a week. Ill just leave linked in be. Whats another dead acc.

Fedditor385 ,

Xing.com, basically German LinkedIn.

SpaceNoodle ,

Oh, I thought that was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xing_Technology

MudMan ,
@MudMan@fedia.io avatar

I am fascinated by this. I guess when there is no universally recognized ID it feels weirder?

I mean, sure, by all means withhold info from social media platforms, but if it's one where you're going to have your real name and your whole-ass work history on public display, surely verifying your ID is trivial? You could absolutely google the info in a LinkedIn page and find a bunch of additional info anyway.

I get it intellectually, it's a taboo now, just like it's a taboo to have people find out your address or phone number when it used to be publicly listed until a few years ago. It's just weird that it's still a taboo for the services where verifying your ID is presumably a feature, not a bug.

dhork ,

It's less about verifying ID, and more about trusting them to be responsible with the documents.

If they have a human assess the ID right away, and delete the file once that person's identity has been assessed, that's probably safe. But let's face it, they probably store it somewhere, and when they inevitably get hacked now everyone's driver's license (with their state ID number, address, and DoB) is for sale on the dark web. There is enough info on your State Drivers' License to open credit accounts, particularly if you forge some documents as well.

Zorsith ,
@Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Plus it's fucking microsoft.

MudMan ,
@MudMan@fedia.io avatar

Well, I guess I'm glad we have fairly secure documentation. Not that fraud doesn't happen, but given how ubiquitous and easy to find that info is the real value is in the document itself, which is minted very much like paper money is and is pretty hard to falsify or forge.

Like many other issues this is the kind of issue I find is fairly well solved.

dhork ,

Let me guess, you've never had your identity stolen, have you?

MudMan ,
@MudMan@fedia.io avatar

Nnnope. Presumably because I have secure government ID minted like paper money, containing a digital certificate and pretty hard to falsify or forge.

Look, I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm saying it's a useful tool to mitigate it. I've definitely shared my official ID online for things. It's even used for preorders sometimes in high demand items or concert tickets to prevent scalping and effectively limit amounts per person. It kinda works.

dhork ,

They dont steal your ID by cloning your passport, they steal it by getting just enough Personally Identifying Information to be able to start up credit cards and other loans that are tied to your credit history, without your knowledge. By the time you find out, they've run all the credit lines to the max and then you have to go around to all those companies and prove you didn't make all those charges. Then you have to get all of your account numbers changed, because you don't necessarily know what the hacker has compromised.

Most of the information necessary for opening accounts is on your driver's' license. Pretty much the only thing it is missing is your SSN. And in some cases, a valid state license number can be used in place of that

MudMan , (edited )
@MudMan@fedia.io avatar

Yeah, but that's the point, with universal secure ID all of those actions require showing your universal secure ID. You can't just give people enough information that sounds or is legit and get a loan, you need to provide your ID and have it verified.

And hey, if somebody that holds a copy of your ID leaks it you're only at risk for a bit of time, because these things expire and each new one you get looks different. It's very hard and not worth it to forge these for that reason, and if somebody went to the trouble of doing that you could easily prove it doesn't match the original you hold.

Fraud and identity theft obviously still exist, but it normally involves getting older people to sign things they didn't mean to or getting people to share their information through social engineering. But just finding your info online and generating enough debt to create a massive problem? That seems hard and reversible.

Trainguyrom ,

Its one of the challenges that seriously doesn't seem to have an easy solution. Like the closest I can think of is a centralized authority that the service can send a identity verification request to that, then the user can sign into the centralized authority and confirm "yes I am the person you requested to verify"

This would also help with annoying employment verification where I have to bring every document needed to steal my identity to my new employer for them to scan and digitally store indefinitely then return said documents to my safe

onion ,

The EU is trying to make an "eID"

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2023/11/08/european-digital-identity-council-and-parliament-reach-a-provisional-agreement-on-eid/

MudMan ,
@MudMan@fedia.io avatar

My question with that is one of usability. Where I live our ID has digital certifications in it and you can theoretically use it for online authentication. It's just a mess of a system, so people tend to pick other options.

I mean, it works... it's just that it's hard enough to use that you often are given alternative tools for verified ID and most people use those because they're more convenient than the solution that is meant to be the convenient standard. It's a once and future XKCD strip.

The authenticated, secure, universal ID card is pretty handy still, though.

MonkderDritte ,

If only they would make an eJobplatform.

Bonje OP ,
@Bonje@lemmy.world avatar

My biggest gripe is that it's done through a third party, Persona ID.

They make you agree to another set of terms and conditions which opens you up to even more 3rd parties.

I consent to Persona collecting, using, and utilizing its third-party service providers to process my biometric information in order to verify my identity for fraud prevention, in accordance with the Persona's Privacy Policy. Your biometric information will be stored for no longer than 6 months.

Were this limited to just Microsoft I might have caved.

dhork ,

I agree with you about not wanting to share a government document with a shitty social media company. But companies that tie your account to your identity are going to insist on this moving forward. You have a right to complain, but don't be surprised if they insist. Their walled garden, their rules.

As a US Citizen, I have found that sending them an image of a US passport card is a decent compromise. The card itself is only useful for travel at land borders, but counts as Federally-issued ID. It has your name, nationality, passport card number, and date of birth, but not your address. The picture isn't really good for much. And, perhaps most importantly, all the ICAO stuff that is normally on your passport page is on the back of the passport card, meaning that a picture of just the front doesn't have all the info. Bonus points if you are old enough to have an expired one, then the card number will be useless.

There is very little damage a identity thief can do with just a passport card number. You are probably at more risk with your DOB being there. But, due to COPA, they probably have your DOB anyway. People can't even book flights with it, as passport cards are only for land crossings.

Godnroc ,

I had this same thing happen when I tried to sign up years ago. There is no way around it, there is no alternative. The only option is to send them pictures of your ID, which is in the "hell no" category on my to do list.

mesamunefire ,

There's been people talking about making a federated version (of LinkedIn), but I havent seen any actual code written.

I think it has potential, but without enough people wanting to hop on, it will be an empty solution.

taiyang ,

Quality over quantity, I guess. It could be a great place to recruit IT and Linux pros, lol.

mesamunefire ,

That's true! Lol anyone hiring? My place just started a hiring freeze.

foggy ,

Ironically, Coursera requires govt ID to furnish certificates. I have a cyber security certificate sitting in limbo. I ain't giving y'all my govt ID so I can obtain a cyber security cert. Seems like a trick!

GrievingWidow420 ,

In that case you wouldn't have gotten the security part and your time and, maybe, money would have been lost, but you not having this certificate, ironically, demonstrates you learned enough

underwire212 ,

Wait long enough and you get the real certificate

foggy ,

I wish I could articulate...

This should be a 4 panel comic, but I lack the creative skills to come up with 4 panels that adequately captures this joke. Also I can't draw good.

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