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gun ,
@gun@lemmy.ml avatar

This is a data collection strategy, not a feature

quaternaut ,

you know, I shouldn't be surprised but I didn't even think about that

Tangent5280 ,

Remember the old days, when your aunt would send you an invite to a facebook game that would predict which celebrity you're most like based on unrelated and harmless pieces of data, like:
(1) Your favorite color,
(2) Your first pet's name,
(3) The school you went to,
(4) Your mother's maiden name
(5) Last four digits of your social security number
(6) Birthdate

This sounds similarly comical if it was intended for data collection.

EDIT: I've reconsidered. Knowing color preferences is very useful for an advertisement company.

96VXb9ktTjFnRi ,

I like algorithms giving me suggestions in all sorts of ways, but not shady ones. None of the people around me seem to mind, but I worry about a company like Google strongly influencing what information we consume. Even if they didn't use this influence, it's dangerous to have them in the position where they could.

DaFuqs ,

shady
Hah

cley_faye ,

You have the correct idea, but it's way too late for most people. This "pre-selection" made by most services have been in place for a long while, and these days people even complains when they are not fed with it.

It is a sad state of affair; thankfully at some point enough people might move away from these automated suggestions, but I'm not holding my breath.

LarmyOfLone ,

Alphabet also shapes what content creators are most likely to create by demonetizing controversial or dissenting videos.

wildginger ,

"Dissenting" here meaning using a swear word within 1 minute of an ad break, videos under a set length, and new content not dropping every week, in addition to what you normally think the word dissenting means

Meowoem ,

A lot of the most popular YouTube creators only post every few months and their content always gets plenty of impressions

They have a rule about not swearing at the start of a video because of the auto play feature and various accessibility tools, having it is probably better than the result of not having it.

I regularly get offered videos of all lengths including variations of mr skellybones that are between 8 and 15 seconds, though since shorts were added those are normally uploaded there now. Yes shorter videos earn less money and yes of course they do, why wouldn't they? If lord of the rings was two minutes long then I
I imagine the box set would be cheaper.

wildginger ,

Creators have repeatedly spoken about how their videos and channels get suppressed priority if their videos arent released on a regular rapid timeline. Massive creators with huge followings can push through that by way of having insanely large fanbases who have notifications turned on. That does not change the facts of youtubes prioritization system.

Thats a nonsense excuse, because the autoplay doesnt pause at 2 minutes, and swearing within the time limit doesnt take you out of potential autoplay queue. Its because advertisers dont want swears in proximity to their ads, which is why the video gets demonetized. Youtube themselves said this when they established the policy.

Ok. And? That means literally nothing, youtube pays creators signifigantly less for not meeting the 10 min mark even when the number of ads run is not different. No one gives a shit what you were reccomended. Youtube still runs the same number of ads on 4-9 minute videos while paying the channel less for not crossing the threshold.

LarmyOfLone ,

Yeah that too. But I mostly meant a mostly opaque list of keywords that get you demonetized, and it's possible that there is an AI that assesses how likely a video is to put a viewer in a "click ad mood" or how likely it is to keep viewers watching. Unfortunately I don't know exactly how it works, but if they do this, I assume they also do a whole lot more subtle things.

Controversial videos might actually do fine if they keep viewer watching and clicking on ads. But many things critical of the current consumerist and propaganda model at least gets a chilling effect. Creators know this is more work so many would avoid it. And some might not be able to make a living even though their content would be valuable for society and drop out.

So alphabet (massively) shapes the content our society sees the tube.

vihil ,

Honestly, the only social media i clearly see this is instagram and their comments. They sort by controversial to get engagement and an emotional response and affects my mood negatively tremendously (can't find a single clip with a woman that doesn't have a misogynistic comment in top10). TikTok is heaven for me in comparison, it's my happy place.

Vex_Detrause ,

I wonder if they are doing something worse and just overshadowing it with this weird change. Like we are using your data for training AI with no opt out BUT look at this random color picker! Don't mind the first part, LOOK! COLORS!

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

How revolutionaly. How disruptive. How innovative. /s

hal_5700X ,
@hal_5700X@lemmy.world avatar

...okay.

Use Freetube, people.

zanyllama52 ,
@zanyllama52@infosec.pub avatar

This is the answer

nudnyekscentryk OP ,
@nudnyekscentryk@szmer.info avatar

But this is for desktop?

hal_5700X ,
@hal_5700X@lemmy.world avatar

Yes.

nudnyekscentryk OP ,
@nudnyekscentryk@szmer.info avatar

Then how is this helpful for a feature on the mobile app?

hal_5700X ,
@hal_5700X@lemmy.world avatar

...will...shit. Looks around Here's NewPipe & GrayJay.

nudnyekscentryk OP ,
@nudnyekscentryk@szmer.info avatar

Then why did you recommend FreeTube in the first place? I'm fully aware of LibreTube, Newpipe and Grayjay, but I choose to use Revanced due to factors mentioned in other comment. Using an alternative clients such as those listed above does not solve the global issue of Google making fucking stupid decisions, even if you yourself are not touched by them because you happen to use Newpipe

raiun ,
@raiun@lemmy.world avatar

Are you asking Hal to fix Google's business making decisions?

Jokes aside, the community welcomes all alternative clients Desktop, Mobile, etc. No one can fix Google's poor decision making except Google. What can we do as consumers of Youtube to fix what is broken in the short term? Any alternative interface that fixes the problems for which we have control over.

RememberTheApollo_ ,

That’ll work great. More SEO to pigeonhole videos that will be abused by creators.

driving_crooner ,
@driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br avatar

Nice to see another intellectual Cracking the Cryptic enjoyer. A toast in your name my friend.

tigeruppercut ,
@tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip avatar

Isn't there another channel that does those? A British guy I think

sebinspace ,

Yeah but the guy in the New Rockstars video is annoying as shit, god what a punchable face..

Jorgelino ,

Wait that's supposed to be for suggesting videos? When I first saw it I thought it was just for customizing the look of the feed and was very disappointed that it changed basically nothing.

_number8_ ,

this is beyond jumping the shark, this is a whole new category of stupid

it's worse than musk-esque stupidity, because clearly there's thought and research behind this, it's all just incredibly cynical and demeaning to the human race

HowManyNimons ,

Don't worry. It's destined for an early visit to Google Graveyard.

LainTrain ,

Never even looked at the home tab before, when I go there it just says watch history is off lol

pantyhosewimp ,

They should do it on texture instead.

  • Your red velvet cake is missing this one ingredient.
  • Ten Seinfeld quotes about wearing velvet.
  • Your mind will be blown by this analysis of “Blue Velvet”
  • All the Easter eggs in Velvet Underground album covers
  • The terrible origin of the phrase, ‘iron fist in velvet glove’

All with thumbnails of the narrator with a shocked face & an illustrated arrow pointing at something vague

mmagod ,

their good devs and engineers have left

Transporter_Room_3 ,
@Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website avatar

Youtube seems to base my suggestions on shoots wall of videos with a shotgun style of recommendations.

I do everything in my power to stop Google from tracking me, but when I'm watching youtube videos on youtube, it should be able to gifure itself out.

And "don't recommend this video to me, I don't like it" does nothing. Just to see how long it will keep this up, I keep telling it I don't want to see let's play videos of star trek online. But it sure wants me to see them, dozens of them, daily, sometimes recommending the same video I already told it not to.

And its really been pushing me to watch right-wing conspiracy videos and flat earth videos after whatever I just purposefully clicked on, despite most of my content views being future Sci fi with either apocalyptic levels of devastation on galactic scales, or "post-scarcity utopia where energy is virtually limitless and energy/matter manipulation is easy peasy, usually liberally peppered with anti-capitalist and progressive themes"

And of course "female leads bad because feeeemale".

SeaJ ,

YouTube constantly suggests right wing side of things. Watch a video about Captain Marvel/Brie Larsen once? Get bombarded by YouTube shorts on why she is killing the MCU. Watch something about Star Wars? Get shorts on Gina Carano talking about "woke" Disney. Doesn't matter that the political commentators that I subscribe to are progressive. Although I will admit to likely being at fault because those shorts tend to have more scantily clad versions of the characters and I am certain I look at them a split second longer while scrolling because boobs.

BradleyUffner ,

I can't say I ever recall seeing anything right-wing in my recommendations. No anti-woke rants, no conspiracies, nothing like that at all. I'm glad whatever curse you guys have isn't affecting me.

Transporter_Room_3 ,
@Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website avatar

Hilariously, after watching a channel that did some comedy skits based on "life in star trek" and very clearly, vocally supportive of progressive ideals, literally one being "work unions are good and necessary even in the Federation where things should be great for everyone" I got a ton of reccommended videosafter each one, from red hats wearing oakleys sitting in trucks looking down at their phone to yell, one of which was literally titled "unions are destroying America"

My favorite though has to be a video discussing progressive ideals clearly displayed in the original star trek shows from 30+ years ago (The Original Series, The Next Generation, Deep Space 9, Voyager, and Enterprise) and their tackling of modern socioeconomic and political issues. Non-binary species, white/black patterned species, extremely on-the-nose metaphors for the holocaust and palestine/israel/Gaza, and literally outright showing "fuck your racism here's a kiss between a white man and a black woman with great hair"

And the "up next" video was "NUTREK IS TOO WOKE" by a very angry looking man with a confederate navy jack on the wall.

stinky613 ,

Only engage with things you want to see more of. Downvoting and Not Interested are both forms of engagement.

Engagement metrics allow YouTube to show advertisers that you're actually looking at the page and not just letting it run in the background

Transporter_Room_3 ,
@Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website avatar

I don't down vote, just "not interested"

I can see that being exactly how YouTube is thinking, "if they're too busy hate-blocking that means their eyes are glued to the screen!"

stinky613 ,

Instead of click Not Interested, I recommend igoring them. It might take a few days or even a week, but I they should start to disappear from your feed

Is that conceptually asinine? Absolutely... But it's your best bet

Transporter_Room_3 ,
@Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website avatar

I'd love a youtube replacement with decent recommendations based on viewer satisfaction, not "is this making money"

Buuuuut here we are, having to try to ignore the shittiness hoping boomer-bully-logic will work and it'll just go away...

We'll see how well ignoring it works. At least most of my subscriptions have playlist I can tap through

kugel7c ,

The not interested doesn't work, the don't recommend me videos from this channel works perfectly, and if the first video I get recommended of a channel is so repulsive to me I actually care to do something about it, the entire channel is probably bad anyways.

elgordio ,

Seems like an interesting spin on what is basically ’random’. Probably a decent way to get content in front of users that might be outside their normal recommendations.

Is it some essential new feature, no, it’s just a bit of fun to find some new content.

rollmagma ,

Mate, just make sure you're not getting into trouble with all that positive thinking, ok? Take care.

Ookami38 ,

It seems like a feature that should be implemented April 1,and April 1 alone, and is tone-deaf to the actual problems on the platform.

BradleyUffner ,

That was my first thought when I saw this "feature" show up the other day. It actually made me laugh.

hollo ,

I was feeling optimistic about it because I'm always wanting some way to get more diversity into my recommendations. I was disappointed when it mostly presented the same videos I'd been seeing in my recommendations anyway, just only those with a particular color in the thumbnail.

Exec ,
@Exec@pawb.social avatar

Is this yet another "make something new bs feature to get a promotion" at google?

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