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eff , to Random
@eff@mastodon.social avatar

It’s still early for ActivityPub and AT Protocol, but we broke down some current differences and what directions they might go in.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/06/whats-difference-between-mastodon-bluesky-and-threads

liaizon , to Random
@liaizon@wake.st avatar

Discovered this morning that Maven https://heymaven.com (a social media startup who's CEO is ex OpenAI "Ken Stanley: leading the Open-Endedness Team at OpenAI") is mass importing public posts from the with no links back to the original and no way to delete them. It seems there is no Opt-out or Opt-in mechanism at all. It also has posts from pulled in via @bsky.brid.gy@bsky.brid.gy that are also not linked back to the original.

Here's an example: https://app.heymaven.com/profile/66927

Screenshot of a social network Maven with my account from Bluesky copied into it.

maegul , to Fediverse
@maegul@hachyderm.io avatar

UI differences are a big factor in the success/failure of decentralised federation of diverse platforms and content

And this seems a good example: bridged posts onto which has a lower character limit than Mastodon.

So, just like posts on mastodon, you don't get the full content of the post (which ends with an abrupt ellipsis here) and have to take a link to the original platform.

However powerful the underlying protocols, this isn't far from screenshots.

@fediverse

modulus ,

IMO bridging or translation isn't federation per se. Also it seems unlikely that protocols would converge to that extent. In fact AP implementations are already different enough that even within the same protocol it's hard to represent all the different activities instances can present.

modulus ,

Definitely, AP is not magic. But if even within one protocol round-tripping and full-fidelity is impossible or very difficult, that makes it only harder and less likely through a bridge.

maegul , to Fediverse
@maegul@hachyderm.io avatar

People are actually on BlueSky

There's now a decent measurement of user numbers (https://bskycharts.edavis.dev/edavis.dev/bskycharts.edavis.dev/bsky_users_total.html) ...

They've got about 1.6M MAUs ...
& 0.8M Weekly unique users & 0.340M Daily.

That's not nothing!

Roughly double mastodon and 60% more than the whole fediverse (by MAUs, see fedidb.org).

Bluesky is quite "international" with large Japanese and Brazilian popltns, and there's real attrition happening IMO.

Still, let the protocol wars begin I suppose?

@fediverse

mima ,

@halm Diaspora only federates with Friendica (because the latter has diaspora protocol support). Friendica doesn't have its "own protocol", it uses ActivityPub with its own proprietary extensions IIRC.

Corgana ,
@Corgana@startrek.website avatar

I meant links to instances not owned by the main company. Are there any?

maegul , to Fediverse
@maegul@hachyderm.io avatar

Plugins for fediverse platforms.

Where is this up to? Is anyone thinking along these lines?

I've seen @db0 espouse such (eg https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/8581651) (sorry for the tag if annoying).

I've certainly thought of it myself ... because it's a pretty obvious idea for an ecosystem aiming for richness and sustainability.

Seems a perfect fit for reusable moderation tooling too, rather than each new platforms having that trouble.

This is essentially 's idea it seems.

@fediverse

db0 ,
@db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Year, tone down the smug "prs accepted", mate. You're just toxic

Die4Ever ,
@Die4Ever@programming.dev avatar

When it comes to moderation tooling I'm honestly a little confused that there isn't more work or noise around a developing a sideloaded tool.

Yeah we just need volunteers to dedicate their time to it. But it's a lot easier to complain than it is to contribute.

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