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cynar ,

It's also worth noting the implication of the full phrase. If you remove the bad apples quickly enough, then you can save the rest. If you can remove the corrupt elements, then you can protect the group overall. If you leave them to fester then you'll have a lot more cutting required to clean up.

cynar ,

The problem is there is a race to the bottom.

E.g. in my field of work, there is a limited supply of skilled workers. If a company won't pay my rates, I work for one that will, and the first is left short staffed. This creates a back pressure that helps keep wages reasonable.

In "unskilled" jobs. The pool is far larger. Even if a job is worth a living wage, there is the risk of being undercut. 3/4 of a living wage is still better than nothing. This leads to a race to the bottom, that larger companies exploit ruthlessly.

There are 2 viable solutions. You either manage a minimum (a "minimum wage") , or you decouple survival from working by providing a baseline income ("universal basic income"). The first is simpler, but distorts the market in unhelpful ways. The second is harder, but let's market forces actually work properly, and push wages up, where appropriate.

cynar ,

It's a prisoner dilemma situation. It doesn't matter how effective the ads are on an absolute scale, but a relative one. The aim is to get more facetime than your competition. Unfortunately, any company that opts out gets flattened.

Incidentally, this is why tobacco companies loved the ad ban (at least in the UK). It had long reached the point where they couldn't encourage many people to smoke. They were advertising to cancel out the poaching of customers by other brands.

cynar ,

What's really screwy is memories survive that process. You can do Pavlov's dog type training on a caterpillar. The resultant butterfly will still react to the trigger.

The brain goes through a liquid phase, but still manages to maintain its wiring!

cynar ,

It will likely be a mix. E.g. you might have 10 trucks on a particular run. You put a driver in the lead truck, as a human-in-the-loop safety. The rest play duckling to the mother duck.

What it will do is lower the skill level needed, and lower the stress. A driver having a nap isn't a problem anymore. They just need to be able to get involved either if the autopilot has issues and has to stop, or if they need to fill out paperwork at the destination.

cynar ,

I believe it's common to have separate long haul trucks and last leg trucks. If the depot is right next to the motorway/highway, then it provides an obvious place for a handover. It also means drivers can stay in 1 area, and so go home each night.

Adobe’s ‘Ethical’ Firefly AI Was Trained on Midjourney Images (www.bloomberg.com)

When Adobe Inc. released its Firefly image-generating software last year, the company said the artificial intelligence model was trained mainly on Adobe Stock, its database of hundreds of millions of licensed images. Firefly, Adobe said, was a “commercially safe” alternative to competitors like Midjourney, which learned by...

cynar ,

Depends how it's done.

Full generative images would definitely start creating a copying error type problem.

However it's not quite that simple. An AI system can be used to distort an image. The derivatives force the learning AI to notice different things. This can vastly extend the pool of data to learn from, and so improve the end AI.

Adobe obviously decided that the copying errors were worth the extended datasets.

cynar ,

One of the key thing that LLMs lack is a knowledge layer. In many ways, modern LLMs are hyper advanced predictive text. Don't get me wrong, what they produce is awesome and can be extremely useful, but it's still fundamentally limited.

Ultimately, a useful AI will need some level of understanding. It will need to be able to switch between casual chatter, and information delivery. It will need to be able to crosscheck its own conclusions before delivering them. There are groups working on this, but they are quite a bit behind LLMs. When they catch up, and the 2 can be linked/combined then things will get VERY interesting!

cynar ,

Depressingly, that's around 2x the cost/Tb.

cynar ,

The upload is likely more of an issue. I was stuck with an annoying ASDL setup for a while. Download wasn't bad, but upload was extremely low. It also had no form of traffic shaping. As soon as one of our phones decided to back up our photos, the TCP return packets started getting lagged out. Basically webpages wouldn't load/timeout while anything was trying to upload.

Long pings are annoying. Insufficient upload can break a lot of 'modern' websites.

cynar ,

I'm guessing a lot of people don't use them optimally. They used them how they originally used a ICE car. Unfortunately, that means they are lugging a large battery around for no significant reason.

I would also query how the hybrids are being designed however. There should still be a saving due to efficiency gains, since the engine can run at optimal RPM most of the time. The values scream that the manufacturers have over optimised for performance, rather than efficiency.

cynar ,

An inner voice is a useful internal communication tool.

Growing up, a massive amount of what we learnt was either provided or reinforcing via verbal instruction. Because of this, all of our brain areas have some sort of tie in with our ability to listen. Conversely, a huge amount of our expression is in the form of verbal communication. So almost all of our brain is also tied to provide data to our speech centre. It's a small step to use this as a useful internal communication pathway. We experience that as an inner voice.

Not everyone has an inner voice, while others are totally reliant on it for internal communication. Most are somewhere in between. It's an artifact that isn't required to be able to think. It's just extremely useful to most.

cynar ,

ADHD is particularly bad for causing that.

Brain: Give me stimulation now.

Me: I'm trying, I'm trying, but I got to get things done.

Brain: Give me now, or I'll make my own!

Me: Please, no, I'm trying!

Brain: I'll do it...

Brain: I will!

Brain: Fine... Baby shark! do do dodo dodo...

Me: <Attempts emergency lobotomy with a spoon!>

'Everyone in the world needs to see this': An Israeli army drone pursued four unarmed youth civilians attempting to reach their destroyed homes and killed them with missiles (www.commondreams.org)

Tariq Kenney-Shawa, Al-Shabaka's U.S. policy fellow, said: "This is among the worst footage I've seen. Not only were these boys clearly unarmed and present no threat whatsoever, but they were struck multiple times even after stumbling/crawling away. There is no way they could have been considered combatants. This is unreal."...

cynar ,

Just remember there are 4 groups involved, not 2. You've got the Palestinian people, and the Israeli people. You also have Hamas and the Zionist dominated Israeli government.

As far as I am concerned, 90% of the blame falls on the Zionists. They have constantly broken agreements and goaded the Palestinian people. This led to the rise of Hamas, it was the only group willing to really stand up to the Israeli government.

The Israeli Zionists are working hard to conflate issues with them with issues with Israel in general and antisemitism in general. Don't play into their hands on that.

Ingenious ways to measure power draw

So I wanted to get myself a Kill-a-watt. Being who I am, I wanted information regarding its accuracy, especially at low power draws. I found a comparison with a industry grade equipment (Fluke is about the best out there in handheld electrical meters). It’s not encouraging, so I thought about a more proper meter, but it’s...

cynar ,

I personally make use of the sonoff pow smart plugs, with Tasmota firmware. Though any Tasmota compatible smart plug with power readings will work.

The key thing is that with Tasmota, you can properly calibrate the readings. I have a friend with a high quality power meter. I used that to calibrate my smart plugs, they seem to track within a few % of the expensive one, once calibrated.

Depending on if you have access to an expensive meter or not, this will either be the best bet, or completely useless to you. Your local Hackspace might also be a good option for getting your hands on an expensive meter for an evening.

Tools for collecting traffic data on my street?

I'm working with my neighbors to petition the city to add traffic calming measures (e.g. speed bumps, one way roads) to my street. I'm also hoping to turn it into a bit of a research project. Does anyone know of any tools to monitor or even automate data collection of the speeds of cars, number of cars going by, how many...

cynar ,

Depending on your technical ability, it might be worth looking at something like this.

https://github.com/jthomas/ai-speed-camera

A camera aimed at the road can be used to gather numbers and speeds.

Proviso, I've not actually played with this one. It's a comparatively easy task for AI however, so I'd be surprised if there weren't several options.

cynar ,

Contrary to what a lot of the rich want to push, humans are not lazy layabouts. It's most obvious in the retired. It's great for a while, but then many get bored (or just drop dead). They need something to do. I actually help out with a charity helping with that very issue.

The problem isn't work. The problem is being locked into doing a job you hate, for not enough money, for a huge chunk of your time.

What we actually need to do is let people have more freedom to be productive, in a way that fits them. Though how to get from here to there is the big challenge.

cynar ,

Potentially to skirt driving time limits?

Many lorry drivers are paid by the trip. If they get stuck in traffic, they are losing money. They are also required to take regular breaks, to avoid fatigue. If they jammed the GPS, then the company can't prove they didn't take their break, and worked through, to make up time.

It also allows for disallowed detours. "Sorry boss, I was stuck in traffic for over an hour". In fact they went for a pub lunch, on the clock.

cynar ,

It's fine till you have an accident. Then your completely fucked.

Those deals, at least over here, are generally aimed at new drivers. I actually agree with them, to a level. It lets the insurance company rapidly sort the safe drivers from the idiots, and so discriminate on prices. It also trains new drivers to be safer. I remember how fearless I was when starting out. The quicker we get new drivers out of that mindset, the better.

cynar , (edited )

Edit, apparently I'm an idiot and my ability to tell truth from fiction is a lot worse than I thought.

In my defence however, all the parts are completely viable. I also saw it mixed in with Boston dynamics videos.

I'll leave the original comment for context of my folly.

The US already has them.

There are single shot drones, designed to be deployed into a building, or cave system. They then use cameras etc to navigate, while running face recognition. When they find their target, they fly just in front of it. The shaped C4 charge is designed to reduce their head to red mist, while not risking those close by.

AI + cheap drones will completely change warfare. Probably on the same level as the tank, or machine gun.

cynar ,

GPS is useful, but not required for operation. Inertial guidance, and ground tracking cameras can easily maintain a good position sense, while completely RF passive. This is also already normal on many toy drones.

You would also want to jam it over a large area. That jamming is akin to a "kick me" sign, in neon lights.

cynar ,

The only reliable counter to a drone is likely another drone.

I suspect Peter F Hamilton got it close, in the Confederation series, with WASPs. They are space based weapon platforms. They carry a mix of offensive and defensive subsystems, and operate with swarm logic.

I could easily see a larger drone carrying a swarm of 1 shot micro drones. When close, some would be sacrificed to get better sensor data, others would go on the attack. Conversely, a defensive target would launch their own swarm. It's goal would be to stop the attackers getting a good shot on a high value target. It might also counterattack, either against the mother ship drone, or backtracking to find the launch site.

Jamming would also be part of this. A jammer could easily cut off the swarm from external data sources. Live satellite or remote surveillance systems would be cut. Point to point lasers are far harder, as are burst transmissions. Local sensor drones could easily punch short range data back, or paint targets, until they are destroyed by defensive systems.

cynar ,

I'll try and remember to dig it out later. It was a sales demo from a weapon's company. I can't remember exactly which one it was, but the implications scared the shit out of me.

cynar ,

Apparently I'm an idiot. I saw a modified version, mixed in amongst other legit videos.

cynar ,

It's worth noting we are at the start of an arms race. It will iterate all over the place.

For example, smoke and chaff deploying drones would make defensive fire harder. Anti air can be either baited (and so depleted) or rushed. Lasers can be shielded against, at least for a time. Jamming can be countered with line of site communications.

In turn, each of these can be countered.

A key thing of note is that your solutions are heavy. Fine for defending a static target, but problematic when dealing with defending a mobile unit etc infantry of transports. In those situations an extremely rapid, focused highly dynamic response would be required. The obvious way to deploy those fast enough is to have them automated and airborne, aka a drone swarm.

I might be completely wrong, current drone warfare is akin to the invention of the smoothbore musket. How it will develop remains to be seen (for better or for worse).

cynar ,

I've worked with drones of various sizes. Bigger and more expensive ones are more capable, but hard to make bullet proof. If you can remote off their sensors and weapons into cheap, more disposable systems, it makes sense.

A big drone, like a predator, drops a package into an area. Mid sized multicopters provide local computing power and coordination. Small planes provide fast loiter surveillance. Small multicopters with cameras give more accurate coverage. For attack, you have what amounts to a hand grenade with props. Protection takes the form of similar disposables. A flying strobe light to mess up optical tracking. Chaff bombs to mess up radar tracking. Smoke to obscure the high value units.

A lot of these I could throw together myself, given a few weeks, and a few grand. What part wouldn't be easy, for a large and well funded military r&d team?

cynar ,

I suspect it will be more subtle even if it's only battery life limited. Huge swarms will also struggle against fixed defences. More likely it will be used in ambush. E.g. air deployed near an enemy convoy, or swarming from rooftops and windows onto an infantry unit. Counter deployment will have to be seconds to stop the lead elements. Potentially with heavier reinforcements flying in.

I've personally got visions of a Boston dynamics dogbot with a harness full of drones. 1 button press and a few dozen micro drones swarm out, with larger ones launching as needed.

I could also see facial recognition drones being deployed from a predator drone, like cluster bombs. A little akin to the bots used in the film minority report. They swarm a building or block, and try and identify all the faces they can find.

The key thing however will be battery life. Multicopters are power hogs. You need around 40% battery to get maybe 5-20 minutes flight times (depending on how the manoeuvre). Longer times can be achieved , but requires larger systems with higher costs. Is 1 system with a 2 hour flight time worth 20 smaller systems only good for 10 minutes?

cynar ,

The game will iterate further. A machine gun works against current drones. It can be countered however. E.g. use a ducted drone, with a few layers of Kevlar facing the gun. It doesn't need to win, or even survive. It just needs to soak up the fire. The other drones rush in, either behind it, or from various angles.

Even things like chaff and smoke can mess up targeting for long enough to rush in.

cynar ,

If it fires big, heavy rounds, then they are slow and of limited numbers. You then bait it at range, or swarm it. If it uses lighter round, to get higher speeds, or more shots, then you use a different platform to soak its shots.

You're also likely vastly overestimating the final engagement ranges.Right now its long flights at relatively high altitudes. A properly designed drone swarm could hug terrain to close, or be deployed early and loiter on the ground in cover.

A good chunk of the swarm would also be small. 10cm would be big enough to carry just enough teeth to not be ignored. They would also be nimble as hell. It would be a numbers game.

As for the use of smoke. You use 3 or 4 types of drone. A smoke bomb lays down cover. Camera drones fly through and around it to triangulate on your gun. Finally a sniper platform drone moves out of cover and shoots blind, using the camera drones feeds. A coordinator might be required to sort the data. Critically, only cheap, disposable drones are exposed to fire.

The key is that you can mix and match drones on the offensive. Your defence needs to be able to react to all of them.

cynar ,

Gun drones are perfectly viable. They just can't fire well while flying. (At least not more than 1 shot) The current prototypes have to land and anchor themselves. They are currently machine guns, for area suppression, though anti-material would be viable.

The gun drone is also not in the smoke cloud, it's behind it. The smoke, chaff, strobes etc are just to break the ability to counter target it. You don't need to just saturate the cloud, but the whole area behind it.

As for the smoke, it's not 1 cloud. A drone's advantage is hyper mobility. A swarm would easily attack from multiple directions. Your gun is now required to saturate multiple clouds at multiple angles. 1 might be hiding something nasty, or 2 or none. Smoke (or chaff etc) drones would be dirt cheap, as would simple distraction drones.

To fight it, you would either need to put up a wall of shrapnel, which would quickly deplete a mobile weapon, or get accurate targeting data. Both could be viable, depending on the situation, but it's risky.

As for engagement ranges. A drone swarm would be cut down by advancing over a large open area. I fully agree on that. It would also struggle engaging fixed defences. That changes in a city, or forest, or mountainous area. A patrol or convoy could be encircled by a swarm in seconds, engaging from multiple sides simultaneously.

Your gun can fire 10 rounds a second. That's 50 rounds in 5 seconds. 200 micro drones, hitting from all sides could easily overwhelm it. Most don't even need a payload, they are $10-20 decoys. 1 clean hit on your gun however, and it is potentially disabled. At that point the more expensive stuff can potentially attack with impunity.

cynar ,

Please show me a built up area where you have clear line of sight for 3 miles. 3-500m would be optimistic. You would have 10s to 100s of 15cm drones. They would flit around bins, cars, buildings and through windows. A racing drone can pull 4.5G of acceleration. It can spin that in a fraction of a second.

3G is enough to cover 300m in around 5 seconds. That's also assuming it is going from a dead start. If it can build up speed before entering line of sight, it would be even quicker.

Even worse, they could easily spend 30 seconds to manoeuvre around you. The sensor package drones (cameras, lidar etc) playing peekaboo, to snatch data. By the time they move, they've built a complete 3D map. They know every blind spot, every area the gun can't target. Your gun will go from nothing to shoot, to too many targets in a second or so. Most will just have extra batteries. They exist to draw fire. A few will have payloads designed to target your defences. Others will have payloads aimed at breaking up your situational awareness.

If you engage the micro drones, then your firing arcs will give windows for heavier elements to engage you. If you don't, then the armed micro drones will damage your defences or block your sensors, to create the same effect.

cynar ,

Easy for a remotely advanced military force.

An explosive drone is easy. Just a small amount of high explosives and an electronic detonator.

Strobe lights could just be an overdriven LED. It just needs to dazzle optical sensors for a few seconds.

Chaff is just lightweight foil. It's effectively an oversized party popper. It's job is to help overwhelm radar based tracking.

Software is the hardest bit. At the same time, many computer game 'AIs' are good enough at this they need to be dumbed down significantly. It would be more specialised, but only needs to be written once, then rolled out to a fleet.

Batteries would be a swarms limiting factor. Single shot lithium would likely be the bulk. 5-20 minutes of flight, then it's dead. Disposables would likely need to be moved into position by other means, either a dedicated transport drone, ground transport, or air drop. Your transport doesn't need to stay in the combat zone however, it can bug out and be reused. Larger more specialist systems would land and loiter to save batteries, and/or be fuel cell powered.

Reliability is handled by numbers, losing 10% is fine, when you have 20% extra.

Computing requires would be met by something like Nvidia's Jetson range. They are designed for low power, low weight AI processing. Putting a tflop of computing power in the close Comms loop would be simple. The controller would be the most expensive part of the swarm. Not only would it need enough power, both computing and electrical, but also significant Comms capabilities. Radio links, with optical backup would be the workhorse. With a mesh setup, including dummies to help hide it's location. This is similar to how the display drones work. An expensive hub, serving a cheap swarm.

While none of this is "easy" for a random guy in a shed, or a terrorist in a cave, it's child's play compared to a lot of the tech the US can deploy.

cynar ,

I design build and operate broadcast equipment. A good chunk goes onto UAVs. I've built small quads, and I've played around with equipment fully capable of some of the more complex tasks. E.g. live 3D mapping from an airborne capable computer.

I'm also friends with several people who used to design and build military equipment, including radar systems. Military tech is a weird mix of amazingly high tech, stupidly simple hacks and long lifespan versions of off the shelf technology. I've a fairly good feel for how hard or easy a good chunk of the bits are to build. Most of what I suggested I could personally design and build, or easily commission, given some time, a reasonable budget, and access to restricted resources as required.

In its simplest form, chaff is just tuned lengths of mylar foil. As it flutters, it glitters in a radar beam. This creates a large noise floor. While modern military chaff is more advanced, the old stuff will still cause problems for modern systems. It's not trying to hide a tank, or pull off a missile's lock. It's trying to swamp the signal from a tiny, mostly plastic, drone.

I'm also not saying to reinvent the wheel. Chaff is now a fairly niche defence tool. It's hard to use while advancing, and gives away your position. It also needs to be integrated with other countermeasures to be useful. It is still a fairly solved problem however. It's cheap to make, quick to deploy, and available in bulk, if required.

Most modern military equipment isn't expensive due to its inherent nature. It's expensive because it's a niche product, and the buyers have deep wallets. The same game plays out in broadcasting. A £100k camera isn't that much better than a £5k one. It is better however, and buyers are willing to pay for that difference.

The reverse is also true, as Ukraine is proving. 100 $1k drones are more useful than 1 $100k, ultra capable, drone or missile. The point of a swarm is to allow multiple cheap systems to do the job of a far more expensive weapon.

cynar ,

There are a number of possibilities. We likely will never know what actually happened. A bit flip would be bad, but potentially fixable. If they can somehow force a reset. It could also be simple component failure, a bad capacitor, in the wrong place, and your computer goes haywire. Ditto for mechanical damage. A grain of dust, hitting the wrong point could cause a cascade of problems.

The backup systems are long dead. The fact they've managed to extend the mission life by 41 years is quite incredible. It was never expected to last this long.

God speed V'ger!

cynar ,

You can, but there's enough plastic to make it non-trivial, particularly if you don't want to risk destroying the cap.

They definitely mess with your muscle memory, both when opening it, and drinking from it.

cynar ,

A non-rechargable battery can also have significantly more capacity. A suicide drone likely doesn't need to be recharged.

cynar ,

One of the biggest things with parenting is communication. Without it, you'll be taken for a complete ride by your little sociopath.

cynar ,

Data is stored in bytes (as the minimum size), it's moved as a bitstream (continuous flow, without regard to individual byte boarders).

Hence storage is measured in bytes, network connections are measured in bits/second.

Is there a FOSS/privacy oriented IoT community?

Is there a community specific to FOSS or just general privacy oriented IoT? With plenty of hardware discussion along with software. Routers, piholes, Meshtastic, anything IoT but open source. If it touches a network but you want it to do something it doesn't. Flashing a doorbell camera with FOSS firmware. Hosting media servers...

cynar ,

Home assistant, ESPhome and Tasmota form a core of this. The self hosting community also has a strong mindset towards security.

The stuff I self host is mostly because I don't trust the "free" services a lot of techies seem fine relying on. I've seen too many providers suddenly go belly up, and screw people over.

I also use defence in depth. The "S" in IoT stands for security.

Scientists develop game-changing 'glass brick' that could revolutionize construction: 'The highest insulating performance' (www.thecooldown.com)

Scientists develop game-changing 'glass brick' that could revolutionize construction: 'The highest insulating performance'::The team of scientists developed an aerogel glass brick, which is a translucent and thermally insulating material.

cynar ,

Houses can have a "greenhouse" effect. Light passes through, and strikes something. It is absorbed and turned to heat. The object then radiates that as infrared. Thermally shielded windows then trap this in the room. With enough insulation, and enough light, this can become a significant issue.

This is assuming, however, that these bricks are transparent to visible light, but opaque to IR.

cynar ,

The various "neurodiverse" communities seem to be meshing together more and more. A good chunk of them are autistic, or ADHD dominated interest groups, like FOSS, or various hobbies. It also includes the LGBT+ crowd.

This mixing allows for a lot of cross pollination of ideas. The trans community hears a lot more about FOSS etc than "normals" and so are more likely to get involved. Conversely, the techies have more exposure to alternative lifestyles. Some, who would traditionally do all they could to fit in, now are willing to show off/become who they really are.

The community meshing also helps by its supportive nature. Most NDs have experienced being the outsider to society. The nature of the cause is often very different, but the effects are similar. This makes the community particularly accepting of differences, as well as people experimenting with change.

Basically, all the weirdos got together and realised "Apes together, Strong!". We are now running with it more and more.

The White House wants to 'cryptographically verify' videos of Joe Biden so viewers don't mistake them for AI deepfakes (www.businessinsider.com)

The White House wants to 'cryptographically verify' videos of Joe Biden so viewers don't mistake them for AI deepfakes::Biden's AI advisor Ben Buchanan said a method of clearly verifying White House releases is "in the works."

cynar ,

It needs to be more general. A video should have multiple signatures. Each signature relies on the signer's reputation, which works both ways. It won't help those who don't care about their reputation, but will for those that do.

A photographer who passes off a fake photo as real will have their reputation hit, if they are caught out. The paper that published it will also take a hit. It's therefore in the paper's interest to figure out how trustworthy the supplier is.

I believe canon recently announced a camera that cryptographically signs photographs, at the point of creation. At that point, the photographer can prove the camera, the editor can prove the photographer, the paper can prove the editor, and the reader can prove the newspaper. If done right, the final viewer can also prove the whole chain, semi-independently. It won't be perfect (far from it) but might be the best will get. Each party wants to protect their reputation, and so has a vested interest in catching fraud.

For this to work, we need a reliable way to sign images multiple times, as well as (optionally) encode an edit history into it. We also need a quick way to match cryptographic keys to a public key.

An option to upload a time stamped key to a trusted 3rd party would also be of significant benefit. Ironically, Blockchain might actually be a good use for this. In case a trusted 3rd can't be established.

cynar ,

Ultimately, reputation based trust, combined with cryptographic keys is likely the best we can do. You (semi automatically) sign the photo, and upload it's stamp to a 3rd party. They can verify that they received the stamp from you, and at what time. That proves the image existed at that time, and that it's linked to your reputation. Anything more is just likely to leak, security wise.

cynar ,

It wouldn't be intended for day to day use. It's intended as a audit trail/chain of custody. Think of it more akin to a git history. As a user, you generally don't care, however it can be excellent for retrospective analysis, when someone/something does screw up.

You would obviously be able to strip it out, but having it as a default would be helpful with openness.

cynar ,

Agreed. Embed a per-frame signature it into every key frame when encoding. Also include the video file time-stamp. This will mean any clip longer than around 1 second will include at least 1 signed frame.

Need help converting dumb switches; one w/o any lights, one w/ Hue bulbs

I'm looking for a smart home solution use two switches in my living room (EU), in order to make them just smart enough so I can control some devices. The setup isn't very complex in itself, and I'm pretty sure it's doable - I'm just unsure what I'd need in order to use these switches in a 'smart' capacity......

cynar ,

There's nothing for a ground pin to be connected to, the case is plastic.

The bigger issue is that a lot of light switches also lack a neutral connection. They have live, and switched live. You can get devices to allow them to scavenge power, but they can also cause led bulbs to glow dimly.

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