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HotsauceHurricane ,

Well damn start building apartments in the empty parts. Its not that difficult to understand.

spacesatan ,

With 6inch thick windows or intolerable noise pollution, sounds great. I wonder which one penny pinching developers are going to build.

lightnsfw ,

That looks like hell. Where do you go when you want to get away from people?

KnowledgeableNip ,

The parks or your own home. I don't normally go into the middle of a highway interchange for solitude.

lightnsfw ,

Parks with all the other people? Locked in a room in a 300 sq ft apartment with your family/roommates outside?

The interchange allows you to live far enough away from the overcrowded city that you can own a bigger piece of land where you're not packed in with your neighbors like sardines so you can actually go outside and sit and be alone without hearing 15 other families doing shit. It also allows you to have enough space to have a workshop space for hobbies or a garden or whatever else you want to do.

pikesley ,
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@lightnsfw @KnowledgeableNip what exactly is your "hobby" that you need to be so far away from other people to do it?

lightnsfw ,

Building/refurbishing furniture, working on cars, basically anything that is loud and requires power tools and space to lay out, assemble, or store materials, also gardening.

chobeat ,

this is all stuff that in Italy goes on inside the city. There are fab-labs, maker-spaces, communal gardens and other communal organizations that enable you to do this without living in bumblefuck nowhere or renting a giant ass house.

lightnsfw ,

Have you ever worked in a shared space? I have, and shit was constantly being lost, broken, or stolen. More people just means more chances some asshole will ruin things for everyone.

chobeat ,

omg you're so American. These places have clear rules, systems to guarantee accountability, with software tracking every person using a room or a tool at any given time. They are managed by people that work there full-time and guarantee everything is in order.

LovesTha ,
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@eya This is such a weird way to compare countries anyway, Italy has giant interchanges too: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.929109,12.7359436,1733m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu

eya OP ,
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Because it's not meant to compare countries, it's meant to compare sizes. That interchange could be replaced with any interchange of similar size.

vexikron ,
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Duh, moron, the future is you just live in the car.

You cant legally park it anywhere near anything useful for survival, and gas is expensive and so is car insurance.

But thats fine because cars and car companies have more rights than people! Or something...

What I am saying is anyone who walks to the grocery store /deserves/ to get run over.

Natural Selection mannnnn!

inhales

Alright, feelin good, got beer in the glove compartment, time to film my magnum opus:

DeathRace 2024.

YEEEEEHAAAWWW!!!

immediately peels out, doesnt see other driver blowing a red light until too late, swerves to avoid and crashes into the weed dispensary, paralyzing himself from the legs down and killing 4 others

greybeard ,

In many cities, people are literally living in cars that don't run, in public parking spaces, because it's the only enclosed place they can afford to live in.

vexikron ,
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Yep, and that is almost always illegal, and such people almost always end up having the car towed, having to pay for the car being towed, losing all their possessions and then becoming homeless.

Its just a matter of time until enough people report it and the police get around to it.

atro_city ,

bUt wE hAve EnoUGh sPaCE!

Semi-Hemi-Demigod ,
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Even better: Leaving that land undeveloped and natural, instead of cramming humans or cars on it

mondoman712 ,

People need to live somewhere, and if they live somewhere like Siena it leaves more space for nature.

BradleyUffner ,

This isn't a great argument. There is so much open undeveloped space in the US that could be used to house people. This interchange isn't taking space away from anyone. There are lots of good reasons to reduce cars, but this isn't one of them.

gregorum ,
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That’s not really true here though. This is in the middle of an urban area, not in some big open empty space that’s unoccupied, like Montana, or North Dakota. This is in the middle of Houston, Texas, a very populous city.

schmidtster ,

And? If they need space they expand elsewhere. If this interchange was at the edge of town, middle of town, north or south. The town is still the same size. America is large, lots of “empty” space.

paaviloinen ,

This is not really outside the city though
https://sopuli.xyz/pictrs/image/1d493324-1b33-4c00-816f-5d29959ff6a8.webp

Telodzrum ,

Calling anywhere in Greater Houston “the middle of an urban area” is just incorrect. It’s the 4th most populated city in the US and the 150th most densely populated. There are a lot of people in Houston but also just a fucking Tom of Houston around. But, as is the norm in this magazine, you are all free to ignore facts and data so you can raise a furor in your tiny anti-car cult.

WalrusDragonOnABike ,

Why do you think it's so sparsely populated? What's keeping people so far from each other? Is it just Houstonians are their own species and can't stand to be in areas over a certain population density?

RaoulDook ,

Because humans enjoy having lots of space to live in. Personally I would never go back to living in an apartment since I can afford a house and land. I've lived in small apartments, big apartments, a single-wide trailer, large houses, small houses, and medium houses. Medium house with acreage of land is the best living situation of all for me.

Gabu ,

Did you really decide that posting that was a good idea? Did you seriously think about it at all before writing it?

Telodzrum ,

Yeah, this place is dumb as hell and you idiots need to know that.

RaoulDook ,

I concur bro. These bullshitters are high on their own farts and apparently can't see the truth that they are never going to change the vast landscape of America into their imaginary Soviet-style shithole idea of a "utopia" where people don't drive and live in tiny boxes in human hives.

paaviloinen ,

Soviet Union was bad for multiple reasons but in major cities the housing was not really any worse than anywhere else in the world. I guess you just enjoy spending 3 hours a day in your car.

RaoulDook ,

I don't commute to work often, but when I do it's only about a 20 minute drive in light traffic. I certainly wouldn't spend 3 hours a day in a car to commute to work when there are plenty of jobs within that 20 minute commute from my house.

paaviloinen ,

The point was that in total you probably spend more time in your car than any sane average European would, because you lack options. And because you lack options it's a hellscape for anyone who can't drive a car. The point wasn't your commute, because your commute probably doesn't represent the median. Also good for you. My commute is also irrelevant, but it's five minutes walk to a train, ten minutes by train and five minutes walk from the train to the office, all that in an environment where I don't fear for my life, the noise level permits me to whisper to other people without them having difficulties hearing me.

RaoulDook ,

Wow you really assume a lot about people huh? Assuming that I spend so much time in my car, when I probably drive about 1 hour per week on average. "You lack options" he says - LOL! Yet I can get in my car and drive anywhere I want at any time. I also have the option of a motorcycle that I could drive anywhere, including off-road where cars can't go. If I didn't want to drive those I could ride my bike or skateboard. But I don't HAVE to drive anywhere if I don't want to. If I wanted to be lazy I could have anything I want delivered to my house. But yeah go on about lack of options haha.

It's not a "hellscape" or dangerous here at all. I look out my windows and see a beautiful forest around my house. There have been only 3 murders in 25 years in my town. Children play in the yard unsupervised, people leave their doors unlocked, and everyone but the most paranoid feels safe to do whatever they want around here.

EDIT: I forgot to address the noise level you mentioned. The noise level for my working environment is generally silence unless I want to play music. The noise level for my home is only the noises that happen inside my home, because I don't live in a little apartment connected to the walls and floors and ceilings of other people's homes to hear their noises.

thantik ,

Do you think the people here care about sound arguments? Nobody except for a select few hyper-fit nutjobs are ever going to walk even so much as an 1/8th of that images span for anything. The area is far too large to want to walk, so we use it for transit instead. Forget that it transports millions of people, products, goods, etc. They want it to house hundreds of people instead.

People who will then not be able to get those products and goods, because...they fuckin' ripped the road out!

PowerCrazy ,

Sound arguements are fine, but the interchange is literally in the middle of the 4th(?) largest city in the US, not the middle of nowhere. Houston is also known for a huge amount of sprawl which is literally caused by the amount of space the 10+ lane roads take up.

schmidtster ,

Is America running out of space or something? Yeah it’s a concern when there is limited space, but America is mainly “empty” the sprawl doesn’t affect them.

eya OP ,
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"Hm yes if we inefficiently use all this space then we can destroy all this perfectly good agricultural land and make space for more cars!"

schmidtster ,

What’s inefficient about vertical farming? There’s plenty of green area even in the Picture that’s posted, could easily put a bike and pedestrian network through there. If it was needed.

There’s always solutions, but it’s also just easier to bitch and moan instead.

eatfudd ,

What’s inefficient about vertical farming?

Cost. It's a lot more expensive to build vertical. Additionally you need lighting that would wouldn't need otherwise.

schmidtster ,

The capacity more than makes up for it. You could also grow in cold climates where you can’t normally as well.

The benefits are there.

eLJay ,

No, it's just like solar. You need existing infrastructure to make it worthwhile, e.g. the top, sides, or inside of an apartment building . Otherwise there would be vertical farms everywhere. America is entrepreneur/Venture capital heavy. If it penciled out properly, people would be doing it.

grue ,

Is it just me, or are the Lemmy fuck cars communities a lot more infested with trolls like this guy☝️ than the one on Reddit was?

LovesTha ,
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@grue @thantik Federated service instances need active and aggresive moderation to keep trolls under control.

Monolithic services spend a lot of time and money on doing that.

thantik ,

People That Disagree with you != Troll.

Gabu ,

People that use arguments easily debunked by a 5 year-old or repeat garbage == trolls

Anarch157a ,
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I think OP's argument is that the interchange is a symptom of low density urban sprawl and all the associated maladies that come with it.

LovesTha ,
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@Anarch157a @BradleyUffner Yeah, it'd suck trying to walk to a friends house on the other side of the interchange.

unexposedhazard ,

You forgot the homeless people, forced to live under that interchange because you know, america, freedom etc...

NENathaniel ,
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I could be wrong but iirc, Italy also has a lot of homelessness

unexposedhazard ,

According to wikipedia, 8.4/10k for italy vs 17.5/10k for the US. So while the US is the richest country in the world they have twice as many homeless people per capita :/

taladar ,

If they are lucky enough that nobody installed some hostile architecture there to keep them out.

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