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Hedlosa ,

I have had 750+ after not using my laptop for a couple weeks lol, and like 30 flatpack updates.

Funnily enough, flatpack took longer.

phoenixz ,

Last time my Ubuntu Linux broke anything during an update is over 15 years ago. Last time a version upgrade failed was probably too over 5-10 years ago. I literally can't remember those times

cows_are_underrated ,

Me after updating 39 packages and therefore killing my audio:

Johanno ,

Use glorious nixos. Never fear anything breaking. And even if you manage to do so just roll back in the boot menu or terminal.

LinusSexTips ,

Ahh until something hangs when updating grub. Had it happen twice over the last couple of months. No real biggie as it's not the hardest thing to recover from / easy enough to pull my config and rebuild.

Maybe it's me, maybe it's Nixos or Grub.

Johanno ,

Why would you update grub?

Also I am not sure if I am even using grub. Does systemd have a bootloader?

Normal people don't change their bootloader that often.

wormer ,

Yeah, systemd-init. Pretty sure the GUI installer uses systemd-init -- never broke once for me.

LinusSexTips ,

I'll probs have to migrate back over, grub will be written to on every rebuild for what I'm assuming is adding entries. Not sure of the inner workings all I know is it's caused me headaches a couple of times now.

Johanno ,

Yeah I have the gui install. Stable as fuck

uis ,
@uis@lemm.ee avatar

That's why I use Gentoo. If something breaks I just boot system from external drive and solve the issue. Or even if bootloader breaks I can use kernel from external drive, but boot into main system.

BlueMagma ,

it didn't break anything "so far"

NegativeInf ,

Don't worry. When you reboot, your kernel will have magically disappeared!

Aggravationstation ,

Spell it with me D-E-B-I-A-N

wabafee ,
@wabafee@lemmy.world avatar

UBUNTU?

uis ,
@uis@lemm.ee avatar
Aggravationstation ,

Let me guess, you use Arch when writing your bronie fanfics?

uis ,
@uis@lemm.ee avatar

Nope. Look at pfp.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please ,

Imagine having pfps enabled while browsing Lemmy. Some people are wild.

cygnus ,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

Can't wait to get KDE 6 in 2027!

Aggravationstation ,

I use GNOME btw

Hedlosa ,

Or something not working, so you ignore the issue and update around it until the updates allow it to be fixed.

Steamymoomilk ,
@Steamymoomilk@sh.itjust.works avatar

Its gentoo it broke everythihg because portage is for galazy brain people

Soooo many man pages

pHr34kY ,

I'm on the Ubuntu 24.04 beta and this is what I get in a day.

MalReynolds ,
@MalReynolds@slrpnk.net avatar

Laughs in atomic.

But also yes...

pimeys ,
@pimeys@lemmy.nauk.io avatar

Laughs in NixOS, smiles in btrfs snapshots.

bruhduh ,
@bruhduh@lemmy.world avatar

Btrfs snapshots not always work tho), i tell this story for *th time on lemmy but my fedora 38 btrfs broke completely from update to 39 and when i tried revert to 38 with help of btrfs snapshots, what came out is weird mix of 38 and 39 and when i reverted again, my whole ssd on which fedora btrfs was installed, this ssd locked completely, on hardware level, even though it was brand new, 2 weeks of usage by me, i fortunately repaired ssd myself and flashed lmde6 on it, but avoided btrfs and fedora after that

pimeys ,
@pimeys@lemmy.nauk.io avatar

Yeah, also a bit wary of btrfs. I sure hope some day bcachefs can be the true cow filesystem in Linux. There is hope, it is pretty good already.

NixOS definitely solves the issue of rollbacks the best here. And FreeBSD.

gramgan ,

FreeBSD has rollbacks like Nix?

pimeys ,
@pimeys@lemmy.nauk.io avatar

It has the best integration with zfs, and has had that for a long time already.

tengkuizdihar ,
@tengkuizdihar@programming.dev avatar

Was using btrfs then in manjaro, broke my laptop because btrfs seems to be shit at handling loss of power cases. Switched to good ol ext4 and nixos, never looked back since.

metaStatic ,

ITT: People who have never heard of Crontab

AnxiousOtter , (edited )

What are you trying to say with this? You think running automatic, unattended updates with a cronjob is a good idea?

Schorsch ,

That'll be so handy because your system will break itself automatically!

VinesNFluff ,
@VinesNFluff@pawb.social avatar

Once I went travelling and left my arch(btw) desktop computer unplugged for just over a full month.

When I came back there were 1 235 packages needing updating, between repo and AUR.

.... It worked fine tho. That install didn't really go to shit until about a month ago, when months of sloppy system management on my end finally caught up to me and left me with a lot of mysterious issues. So I cut my losses and ditched it.

I'm using OpenSUSE Tumbleweed now (btw).

electro1 ,
@electro1@infosec.pub avatar

I'm using OpenSUSE Tumbleweed now (btw).

I wonder why people don't say : I don't use Arch BTW.. ?

ManniSturgis ,
@ManniSturgis@lemmy.zip avatar

skill issue

stembolts ,

Yeah, I ran Arch for years and every time the wiki or someone in irc said, "Do it X way, not Y," I always followed that instruction. Never had a single issue with system stability.

Guess that's atypical? I learned a lot, these days I mostly use Ubuntu or Debian.

Tbh, trusting pacman with everything and keeping my AUR pkg sources preserved in a source folder is literally all it took to keep the system stable. Idk, is that a lot? It felt easy.

Ephera ,

I'm using OpenSUSE Tumbleweed now (btw).

Well, prepare for some even bigger updates. When a new libc or gcc or similar such version comes out, they like to recompile everything.
Sometimes you get 4000+ package updates, just from one day to the next.

They do that, though, because it increases compatibility, and you get automatic snapshots, too, so it's kind of less daunting than 250+ package updates on Debian et al.

Kusimulkku ,

I haven't personally had those huge updates ever break on Tumbleweed. The one thing that apparently caused stuff to break was the recent KDE 6 update, but I've heard so and did it with Discover's offline update and it all went fine.

kalpol ,

Tumbleweed rebuild the entire repo after the xz-utils thing, I had like 5500 to update

django ,

Updating pandoc on arch feels like 250 packages, so you don't have to forget updating for this experience.

Crow ,

I once updated shortly before pandoc got updated, and I have the habit of running yay again so it says that no packages need updating. On this occasion however, I suddenly had more updates than before

Pacmanlives ,

Just wait till you have 1200+ packages to upgrade. Luckily OpenSuSe Tumbleweed handles it like a champ

woelkchen ,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

Just wait till you have 1200+ packages to upgrade. Luckily OpenSuSe Tumbleweed handles it like a champ

New major version of GCC? Let's recompile everything! Takes a bit to download but yes, openQA at openSUSE does its job.

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