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sweetpotato ,
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"promising to give two different groups"? You mean the natives and the colonisers? Tf is this "meme"?

ChiefSinner ,

Palestinians also contain Christians. Its just the modern term for gentiles in Israel now.

ytg ,

This war really makes you hate Britain (and possibly France) for causing unrest in the first place

Sunfoil ,

Yeah it was a land of peace with no unrest until the British came.

Mrkawfee ,

Compared to now it was a utopia.

MisterScruffy ,

One group was actually living there and the other group moved in and literally ripped people from their homes.

Flumsy ,

One group took 2 years to organize an attack on civilians, the other didnt...

TimeNaan ,

The other has been attacking them for decades...

Flumsy ,

This was on a different level though. Taking civilian hostages? Launching rockets with the target being a music festival?

Malfeasant ,

when did Israel specifucally taregt civilians?

They do it often. Here's a particularly nasty one from 2009, there are plenty more if you care to look.

https://www.hrw.org/report/2009/03/25/rain-fire/israels-unlawful-use-white-phosphorus-gaza

Strawberry ,

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2019/02/no-justification-israel-shoot-protesters-live-ammunition

IDF snipers intentionally targeting civilians including children

Strawberry ,

Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights press release outlining large scale targeting of peaceful protesters, women, children, people with disabilities, paramedics and journalists by Israeli snipers: https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2019/02/no-justification-israel-shoot-protesters-live-ammunition

BBC report on the killing of Christian American-Palestinian journalist and subsequent attack of her funeral: https://youtube.com/watch?v=y11CVGz7toM

BBC article about the Human Rights Watch report detailing Israel's crimes of apartheid: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-56898864

The majority of Gaza children suffer from PTSD caused by the constant conditions of warfare, psychological study: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyt.2020.00004/full

Human Rights Watch report on "indiscriminate" bombing of schools by IDF forces: https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/09/11/israel-depth-look-gaza-school-attacks

Al Jazeera article about Israel bombing a refugee camp housing refugees of Israel's air strikes: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/14/israels-bombardment-of-gaza-continues-live

Amnesty International—Israeli airstrikes targeting civilian housing constitute war crimes https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2021/05/israelopt-pattern-of-israeli-attacks-on-residential-homes-in-gaza-must-be-investigated-as-war-crimes/

Article by the Intercept about Israeli airstrikes targeting medical facilities: https://theintercept.com/2021/05/21/gaza-bombing-hospital-israel/

bennieandthez ,
@bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml avatar

do u live under a rock?

Tom_bishop ,

Dont forget Israel bombed Associated Press & Al Jazeera office building in 2021 for reporting against them

roboticide ,

That's been happening for the last 5,000 years in that region though, since the Canaanites.

It's not like the Palestinians were the first there.

MisterScruffy ,

The Palestinians are descendants of the ancient canaanites. Most of the people in that region never left they just changed their religion at some point. This hasn't always been happening, in Ottoman times Christians Jews and Muslims peacefully coexisted in the region.

roboticide ,

I mean, kinda? They're also heavily descended from 7th Century AD Arabic conquerors, but yes, many other natives may have adopted Arabic culture, language and religion at that time.

But Jewish culture is also derived from the Canaanite culture, with arguably more overlap. Jewish culture in the region can be traced back to at least the 9th Century BC, with the literal Kingdom of Israel. So the argument of "Well who was there first?" does not necessarily favor the Palestinians over the Israelis.

This has always been happening though. It's not like the Ottomans took over the region peacefully. It's been conquered and re-conquered by Babylonians, Egyptians, Greeks, Romans...

MisterScruffy ,

Palestinian culture is also derived from canaanite culture. Arabs are semitic people and follow abrahamic traditions. When places get conquered usually the ruling class changes but the lower class people stay in their homes and just change language/religion/identity. Usually the new rulers don't try to completely wipe out the inhabitants of their new land the way israel is doing with Palestinians

satans_crackpipe ,

I do hope the Israel and Palestine Wikipedia pages are doing ok.

satans_crackpipe ,

FINE YOU WEIRDO ZEALOTS:

I do hope the Palestine and Israel Wikipedia pages are doing ok.

RaivoKulli ,

wut

dpkonofa ,

He posted the same message but swapped the order so that both sides would be happy-ish.

Franzia ,

Borders are violence.

MissJinx ,
@MissJinx@lemmy.world avatar

Borders are violence.

Religion is violence

erranto ,

Britain has planted the seeds of hatred and bloodshed in the middle east and is now acting as if it has no responsibility towards resolving the conflict.

It is hard to watch the British media coverage of this war acting all outraged and surprised by the violence while being proud of their historical imperial inheritance .

Rubanski ,

Britain and France are responsible for such an enormous fuck up in Asia, Africa and the middle east, past and present, it's probably impossible to put it in numbers. The US gets bashed a lot (deservedly), but I think those two were planting something way more devastating for generations to come

nephs ,

It's not a religious conflict. It's an imperialistic conflict.

jarfil ,

Alternate caption: "Zionists smuggling in settlers before the British mandate ended to have enough votes to create a State of Israel as a safe haven for Holocaust refugees, then getting populated mostly by Jews fleeing Arab countries out of fear of retaliation for having created the State of Israel a day early and having pushed most Palestinians out by force"

tryptaminev ,

You realize that most Israelis came from Europe after WW2?

or do you think Liebermann, Herzog, Weitzmann, Goldberg, Weinstein etc. are Arabic names?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelis 33 % are ethnic Europeans as opposed to 12% from asia and 15% from Africa

SwampYankee ,

Also Britain: Oh good, the UN voted in favor of splitting up the land except the entire Arab League voting against the plan? Ok, sounds good, bye guys, have fun!

Lmaydev ,

Someone's parents never taught them to share.

Obligatory fuck religion.

cyclohexane Mod ,

Palestine is not a religious entity, and have been in favor of religious coexistence since the very beginning. It is the Zionist state that is exclusive of other religions by design.

Chr0nos1 ,

All the yelling of "Allahu akbar" while celebrating the death and destruction in Israel, would seem to be in conflict with your statement.

cyclohexane Mod ,

yelling of "Allahu akbar"

Saying "God is great" is problematic?

celebrating the death and destruction in Israel

They are resisting against the Zionist state founded on genocide and exclusivism. I don't see that violating their will for coexistance.

Chr0nos1 ,

When they're celebrating the killing of civilians at a dance party, or the beheading of babies, it is a problem. Religion is the cancer that keeps that entire region either at war, or the brink of war

cyclohexane Mod ,

You're gonna have to substantiate that claim. Show me evidence of Palestinians celebrating "killing of civilians at a dance party, or the beheading of babies". Without evidence, your claim is to be ignored.

By the way, Israel has already admitted that they faked the "beheading of babies" story. Verify your evidence before responding.

Haus ,
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It worked so well when they did the same thing for themselves and Ireland.

dreadgoat ,
@dreadgoat@kbin.social avatar

It always works out fine for them. I don't know why anybody says imperialism or colonialism are bad or destructive, seems to me that Britain and France and Spain and Portugal and the Dutch are all doing fine. Really weird how maps of their empires seem to overlap a lot with parts of the world that currently or recently experienced a lot of, idk let's call it "troubles?" They must be dumb or smth

YourFavouriteNPC ,

Well, since those former colonies can't quite work it out on their own, maybe they should just be brought back into their respective empires again? 🤔

SatanicNotMessianic ,

Also that whole India/Pakistan thing. And I seem to remember some stuff happening in Africa.

Wanderer ,

Because all those countries had lovely relationships among the people beforehand with absolutely no genocide and war.

Really easy to make perfect borders that makes everyone happy.

SatanicNotMessianic ,

They weren’t countries. They became countries when the colonizers (and I’m using that term as accurately as possible) lumped together into managed regions and then told them they were countries with their own governments and flags. It was all “We’re going to conquer these people and these people and these people, then put Governor Fitzroy, nephew to the Prince, in charge of all of it with a big army to back him up.” Then they wrote laws and made flags and all the happy crappy stuff they do. Then they lost WWII (because pretty much everyone except for the US lost WWII), and said “you’re on your own.”

They turned former colonies into artificial countries with governments that all but guaranteed factionalism.

There was always war, and there always will be war. But the specific type of war we’re seeing in former colonies is because of the post-colonial situation.

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