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waka , (edited )
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A dumb and sort of wrong version would be:

Politically Left: "Society combine for everyone",
Politically Right: "Freedom for everyone at all cost"

CORRECTION

Unfortunately, left and right are rather coarse terms within the political spectrum. Consider looking for some easy explanations to understand the finer details.

Fun Fact: The emergence of the "left" / "right" distinction in the political sense is attributed to the original seating arrangement at the Constituante, the constituent national assembly of 1789 in France.

EDIT: I hate talking about political stuff. Never a correct answer and every word is scrutinized. I hate it.

DessertStorms ,

Politically Right: “Freedom for everyone at all cost”

Lmmfao...
They don't give a shit about freedom for anyone but themselves (and especially not that of people who aren't white, Christian, cis, straight and abled), their actual motives are having as much power and money as possible.

frightful_hobgoblin ,

That doesn't make sense. There are lots of right-wingers who are not in the demographics you listed (the biggest political party in the world to take one example)

toastus ,

You are right about most points, but the right is not and never was about freedom, but about cementing a hierarchical order in society.

It used used to be about Aristocrats in France.
Today it is about keeping the rich in power and by extension to rile poor people against even poorer people (often immigrants).

If you look at politics through that lense so many more things start to make sense.

Old money hates new money.
Right wing middle class people hate poor people.
Right wing poor people hate immigrants.
They want to look down on somebody.

Prunebutt ,

That's not "sorta" wrong, it's hella wrong.

  • Left: Dismantle existing power hierarchies with the aim of equality.
  • Right: Strengthen existing power hierarchies.
vsis ,
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Political "debates" are useless, but I always like to watch different conceptions from different countries.

When I see USA politics right-wingers have some speeches and actions that left-wingers have in my home country and vise-versa.

Like, leftwingers in my country usually attack a former rightwing president because he supposedly fomented immigration, specially illegal immigration. (Although, here rigwingers also have more hate against the inmigrant, just like US) 1 (sorry for the language, didn't find an english version of it)

Or a former leftwing president that mobilized our army to Haiti to protect their democracy 2

Same with labels: In US "liberal" is a left wing label, in my country is a righ wing one.

Same apply in other countries, like I see Spanish news when "republicans" are the radical ones, usually left-wing, because they oppose monarchy, and the "republican" flag is a left-wing symbol for spaniards.

That's why political labels are pretty useless too. Republican means literal nazi or revolutionary against monarchy depending where you are lol.

OurToothbrush ,

It is better to conceptualize political allegiance by which ideology they support: socialism, social capitalism, liberal capitalism, or fascist capitalism.

YeetPics ,
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You can just make up a name for whoever you don't like and use it to dehumanize them. "Lib" is a popular stand-in when you don't have even a tenuous grasp of global politics.

stoerte ,

Might be relevant here: https://www.podcast.de/episode/619883332/089-the-myth-of-left-and-right-a-conversation-with-prof-hyrum-lewis

English episode of german podcast

mvirts ,

Don't ask, don't tell?

Mango ,

Left and right wingers are the people who let all the bad shit happen because they want their football team to win and only care about that.

Cowbee ,
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Nah, that's moderates and centrists that refuse to actually take a stance because they are privledged enough to benefit from the status quo.

Mango ,

I have a stance. It happens to conflict with both of you clowns. You're all acting like I have to take the package deal when I'm only interested in Internet. Fuck that nonsense. I want the right to bear arms and have an abortion. Let the gays do whatever they like, but why are they mimicking a religion which says they're bad? I want higher tax brackets for the ultra wealthy and domestic spending for 3rd places, but I also think it's a good idea to have our crazy army money because China specifically wants world domination.

Absolutely NONE of this is "central" or "middle ground" because there is not a fucking polarity to the subjects!

You're all idiots banging your heads together over stupid shit the ultra rich make up to keep you fucking busy! YOU blind idiots are why we can't have nice things!

Cowbee ,
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This comment screams "I am extremely confident in my own intelligence and have never once listened to a word anyone else has ever said. Bow down to me!"

Mango ,

This screams "ad hominem" you're just gonna insult my character because you have no argument.

Cowbee ,
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Let's go through your comment.

"I have a stance. It happens to conflict with both of you clowns."

-okay, let's see it.

"You're all acting like I have to take the package deal when I'm only interested in Internet. Fuck that nonsense."

-nobody is saying you have to pick a niche view, but views tend to have intersectionality. Ie, antiracists also tend to be anti-transphobia and anti-fascist, because they all come from a similar moral outlook.

"I want the right to bear arms and have an abortion."

-So do most leftists.

"Let the gays do whatever they like, but why are they mimicking a religion which says they're bad?"

-gay people are not mimicking a religion in any way, that's absurd. Pride is about visibility and protection, if that's what you're calling a "religion."

"I want higher tax brackets for the ultra wealthy and domestic spending for 3rd places, but I also think it's a good idea to have our crazy army money because China specifically wants world domination."

-so do most leftists. Even if your take on the military is at odds with many leftists, the rest of your views are fairly leftist.

"Absolutely NONE of this is "central" or "middle ground" because there is not a fucking polarity to the subjects!"

-Not necessarily middle ground, just generally ill-informed, given your belief that gay people are mimicking religion.

"You're all idiots banging your heads together over stupid shit the ultra rich make up to keep you fucking busy! YOU blind idiots are why we can't have nice things!"

-That's a firmly leftist position, saying that the rich are dividing the Proletariat against itself to stay in power. That's not even close to a right wing position.

There you go, firmly answered. You're a leftist, but one who probably hasn't actually read theory or taken the time to analyze their own views. I think reading what other leftists have written about leftism might be fantastic for helping you come to terms with your own views and help you understand them better, but that's your choice to make.

Mango ,

What do you think marriage is?

I'm not about to vote in someone who wants to disarm me just because they're on my side for a couple of topics. The fact of the matter is that I don't believe in representation. Direct democracy is the only way to actually get to conclusions.

Keep your labels to yourself.

Cowbee , (edited )
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Leftists aren't anti-gun, buddy. Direct democracy is good, sure, but that doesn't change the fact that you're a leftist that refuses that label.

Marriage isn't religious.

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