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_ffiresticks_ ,

Reason I don't use these services is the tip is expected in advance. Bring me my food hot and in a timely fashion and I'll give you a good tip. I'm not paying you ahead of time to take too long bringing me cold food. I'd rather pick it up myself.

just_change_it ,

Ubereats lets you set the tip after the delivery. afaik the others don't.

Should be illegal to prompt a tip before services are rendered, including at those POS machines that ask you up front to tip even a small amount.

FontMasterFlex ,

Stop fucking using these extortion apps. Drive your lazy ass to the shit food station yourself.

Octopus1348 ,
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The purpose of tips has gone away in the US. You are supposed to tip after the delivery for a good service. Now you have to "tip" for a good service.

Sanyanov ,

This entire tipping thing is terrible - including for dashers themselves.

It means dashers income heavily relies on strangers being kind enough to leave some extra.

It means customers are gonna feel bad for not paying more than their order amount (and they probably will pay the tip)

It means company can employ slave labor for extremely low pay and still have people willing to do this.

Tipping benefits only one party - the companies. We need to stop it.

Leviathan ,

I stopped ordering from these apps because I got tired of watching the driver take my food on a tour of my city and having it arrive cold and wrong.

The last time I went to pick up my food from a restaurant I saw a dasher standing outside a restaurant staring at his phone with food in his hand, I went inside and while I was waiting the dude came back in, dropped the food and asked for another order because the one he took wasn't tipping.

Fuck this system and fuck these apps, pick up your own food (if you can).

const_void ,

Stop using DoorDash and other delivery services. They're a huge scam and you end up paying double for cold food that someone might have tampered with.

phillaholic ,
@phillaholic@lemm.ee avatar

This. They are predatory to their drivers, their customers, and the restaurants they almost blackmail into using them. Awful awful company.

Soltros ,
@Soltros@lemmy.world avatar

They really need to stop calling it a tip. It's a bid for service.

wesker ,
@wesker@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Drivers shouldn't be allowed to see the tip amount prior to delivery completion. That, or tipping shouldn't be allowed until after completion. I hate this more recent model of tipping before receiving service. Because as you said, it's a bid for service, not an acknowledgement of good service.

Nollij ,

Flip it around - why would you work a job, any job, where you don't know your pay until after the work is done?

"Tipping" is rich-people speak for shifting the expense (and blame) to the customer.

Bonehead ,

They already know the pay. If the pay isn't enough without the tip, then maybe they should consider getting a different job.

limonfiesta ,

You realize that gig economy is the neoliberal slang for a poverty class work, but without the rights of workers, right?

So you're criticizing people who are forced by the system in which we live, to be ordered around by a fucking algorithm, and then take abuse from people who have enough money to NOT work in the gig economy, but no where near enough to actually own the servant class they get off on abusing.

Bonehead ,

You realize that the gig economy is not my responsibility, right? I'm not criticizing the workers for being underpaid. I'm criticizing the exploiters for underpaying their workers. If you can't pay your workers enough, that is not my fault. You are not entitled to exploit anyone for your personal gain.

ThunderWhiskers ,
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If the pay isn't enough without the tip, then maybe they should consider getting a different job.

I'm not criticizing the workers for being underpaid.

Study: When questioned about continuing to work for poverty wages, gig workers across the nation respond with resounding "guess I just didn't think about it because I'm so goddamned stupid" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ .

ninjan ,

It does, but the thinking here is that the dasher basically loses money taking no tip orders. Which in my Nordic mind is a fucked up business model. A living wage should be the minimum requirement.

scrubbles ,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

Look at the socialist over here guys, over here in America we let our children go without lunch if they can't afford it. How else will they learn that they need to be a productive member of society?

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