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Ilandar ,

The problem with iOS is the lack of freedom and control you have as a user. Yes, Apple may be "better than Google" when it comes to some aspects of default privacy on their devices (being better than the worst is hardly something to brag about), but as a user the level of privacy you can achieve on your iPhone is always limited by the design of the operating system, where you are just a user with no permissions and no ability to modify or even replace the operating system entirely. You are locked into a proprietary ecosystem that you cannot get out of.

thepaperpilot Admin ,
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I don't hate apple. Especially from a privacy record, they actually have a far superior history than essentially every other hardware manufacturer out there.

I think they're overpriced and I don't agree with some of their design decisions, and in general feel like they could give the consumer more control over things, which is why I don't personally have an iPhone or iPad etc., I use them at work and have nothing against them in general)

poVoq , (edited )
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Especially from a privacy record, they actually have a far superior history than essentially every other hardware manufacturer out there.

That's what their marketing department wants you to believe. But basically all independent investigations into that have concluded that Apple is no better, just that they collect all the data themselves rather than allowing you to have it collected by Facebook etc.

If you look into their privacy policy etc. its very obvious that they exclude all their own surveillance advertisement and privacy invasive stuff from the limits imposed on others. If they truly cared about privacy they would not make these exceptions for themselves.

TheAnonymouseJoker ,

I don't hate apple. Especially from a privacy record, they actually have a far superior history than essentially every other hardware manufacturer out there.

Is there a source that has independently verified and tested this claim? Or is this a fabrication of strings made out of your asshair?

atro_city ,

Closed source that pretends to be your friend. They are just wearing a different mask than google, microsoft, facebook, bytedance, and so on. Any privacy gained is a circumstantial side-effect that will cede to any monetary interests and will be used as an excuse to lock users into their walled garden.

SuperSpruce ,

It boils down to two broad categories for me:

  1. How locked down the OS is on iPhones and iPads. We've seen recent progress (Safari extensions, retro console emulators), but we're still far from a serious OS. iOS still lacks a proper file management system (especially for playing back local audio) and no side-loading is still a deal breaker.
  2. Obscene markups for easily accessible parts. Apple still believes 8GB RAM is worth $200, and they believe 1TB storage is worth $800. I'd rather just get something with replaceable RAM and storage.
crispy_kilt ,

Anti-freedom

Profit-maximising

Literally killed the 3.5mm to increase profits

Acts holier than thou

root ,

If Apple had kept the 3.5mm port, we'd all probably still be having it on our phones and not have to deal with flimsy adapters.

linkhidalgogato ,

i have it on my phone just fine, aint it crazy how cheaper phones have more features.

root ,

I have it on my Asus Zenfone 8 too. Sad to tink that my next phone upgrade will likely not have the 3.5mm port anymore. :(

dog_ ,

Because I want to repair and fix my things without needing special software or proprietary tools. Along with a userbase of American teens who will treat you like shit just based on the phone you have.

I'm so glad I switched away.

ssm ,
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  • Closed software (and hardware if we count in house arm chips?) ecosystem is bad for security and privacy
  • Apple is subject to ancap US corporate law, which means they can realistically do whatever they want with your data (and it would be a bad business decision not to) with no real punishments/business expenses if they're caught
  • Large number of users increases interest for state backdoors
  • *BSD has mostly the same userland, is totally free, and open source
airikr ,
  1. They have their own closed eco system
  2. They think money is key and throw large amounts at their consumers
  3. All source code is closed
  4. They are based in USA
  5. They love AI

Like what another person said, hate is a strong word. But when it comes to Big Tech, I'm all for the word.

Might have missed adding something to the list. Will add more if I have.

TheFonz ,

If not USA, where ought they be based? Costa Rica?

poVoq ,
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For example in a country with actual privacy laws that also get enforced... like most of the EU or several east Asian countries.

airikr ,

Anywhere in Europe so GDPR can be fully used and so Apple will not have the same power over their users as they have today.

hanrahan ,
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Hates too strong a word for me, walled garden is unacceptable, completly unacceptable.

I get 1/2 my apps from F Drod.

RootBeerGuy ,
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You got 2 apps on your phone???

...sorry, could not resist

vingetcxly ,

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ninjaturtle ,
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Mostly their marketing practices. They are designed well but mostly designed to keep you locked in one way or another.

For me, their desktop is not as intuitive as people make it seem and lacks simple shortcuts that most other desktops have.

On mobile, its the restriction of customization and options. They are getting better at customizing but still limit you on options for anything outside of their apps. They claim to be private but follow similar practices as other companies, just in a more quite way with better PR.

patchexempt ,

they make bad products that are media darlings because it's fashion more than anything. they're treated like consumer advocates but they are one of the absolute worst companies for vendor lock-in, and are absolutely anti-consumer, but will have innumerable articles written about how they're "the best" for any given measure. it drives me nuts how the public perception of them is the complete opposite of what they actually are, and i don't get it.

also their software is bad. all due credit their hardware impressed but it doesn't matter if the software is crap.

and they aren't private: they've got all your data but have somehow convinced everyone that it's fine that they have it because they're somehow better than every other large tech company.

RubberElectrons ,
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I don't care how nice the sports car is, if it's not going where I want it to, I'm not getting in.

omxxi ,

overpriced, jailed

NauticalNoodle ,

I'm not a masochist.

RememberTheApollo_ ,

One of the biggest walled gardens around. Also, they treat users like they’re stupid. No, you can’t do anything with your hardware or software that we don’t want you to. No, you can’t fix it, either. Windows/Linux you’re free to break shit, change whatever you want (not always for windows), repair a system you build yourself, etc. And I despise apple’s perceived “status” and premium pricing. We joke about , but there’s some weird social cache around messaging and even dating where you have to have an iPhone to participate. Tf is wrong with people.

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