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user ,

Can you read their source-code? Nope. And they falsely advertise their phones as Privacy alternatives when they collect just as much data as Google.

matthewc ,

This is different than my understanding of Google and Apple. Could you provide links to sources showing what Apple collects about its users?

icedterminal ,

From their own privacy policy they outline what they do:

For research and development purposes, we may use datasets such as those that contain images, voices or other data that could be associated with an identifiable person.

To provide location-based services on Apple products, Apple and our partners and licensees, such as maps data providers, may collect, use, and share precise location data, including the real-time geographic location of your Apple computer or device.

Apple’s websites, online services, interactive applications, email messages, and advertisements may use "cookies" and other technologies such as pixel tags and web beacons.

We also use personal information to help us create, develop, operate, deliver, and improve our products, services, content and advertising

At times Apple may provide third parties with certain personal information to provide or improve our products and services, including to deliver products at your request, or to help Apple market to consumers.

Apple may collect location, IP Address, network information, Bluetooth information, connected devices, accessories, personal demographics, browsing history, browser fingerprint, device fingerprint, search history, app data, usage data, performance, diagnostics, product interaction, transaction information, payment information, purchasing records, contacts, social graph, watch history, listening interests, reading list, call metadata, device information, messaging metadata, email addresses, salary, income, assets, health data, ad interaction, in-app purchases, in-app subscriptions, app downloads, music downloads, movie downloads, TV show downloads, Apple ID, IDFA, Random Unique ID, UUID, IMEI, Hardware serial number, SIM serial number, phone number, telemetry, cookies, Nearby WiFi MAC, Siri request history, Web sign-in, songs played, play and pause times, playlists, engagement and library.

Literally all of this is what Google does. The only thing Apple does differently is hinder 3rd party apps to a greater degree, whereas Google is more permissive. But to be fair, Google has been improving the Privacy features of Android with each version.

https://tosdr.org/en/service/158

user ,

You can read their own privacy policy, in which they admit to everything: https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww

Ignore their bullshit marketing as for "why" they collect it and when they try to justify it. Look at the facts laid out.

Snapz ,

Walled garden, overpriced exploitation of that locked ecosystem ($5000 monitor stand kind of shit), green bubbles/blue bubbles, dominating all tech with their middle of the road/copycat approach where Android was eventually saturated with same type of execs and "gave up" on differentiating until everything was the same sealed back glass rectangle without MICRO SD expansion memory, leading the charge on "brave" feature killing enshitification like removing the headphone jack, plenty more...

gwen ,

what are 'green and blue bubbles'?

nathan ,

iMessage and sms

ArcaneSlime ,

Tbf that's more of an apple fanboy thing (though apple created, encouraged, and exploited that as an advertising technique, it's an extension of iPods and their "white headphone cord").

Basically apple cultists judge you as less than because you're too poor to afford an iphone and use android instead.

Apple is actually just a really good marketing company that hawks mediocre tech, not a mediocre tech company with a really good marketing team.

Snapz ,

An elitist dog whistle built to "other" the "poor" people - people that may have otherwise been successfully socializing or "passing" with wealthy people to the point of the first text message sent. Also a quiet tool for labor discrimination.

Only took them about 20 years of oppression to finally announce they would potentially end the practice.

DudeImMacGyver ,
@DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works avatar

Anti-consumer shit like crazy pricing, doing everything they can to discourage repairs, going after third party parts/accessories/service, and how locked down their OSes are. Also, it's ridiculous that they don't have any sort of real enterprise management and IT has to rely on third party stuff (ironic given how Apple can be about third party stuff sometimes).

Beaver ,
@Beaver@lemmy.ca avatar

There is no sideloading

No unlocked bootloader on iPhone, iPads and Apple Watches

The products are not repairable enough

EntropyPure ,

Well, there is in the EU, but that does not help anyone not here.

An unlocked boot loader is something that would have to be forced from Apple’s hands like sideloading was in the EU. No way in hell they would pursue that on their own.

Rapairability is a point that bugs me as well, hoping for right to repair laws in the EU to force all manufacturers to make the devices better in that regard.

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

Locked down proprietary ecosystem that lacks basic support for open standards.

No thanks

Reddfugee42 ,

Same reason I don't like sony. They're too busy telling the people who buy the fucking products what they're allowed to do with them, and spend the rest of the time creating proprietary shit that traps their customers.

Hardware is great. Everything else is pretty much an abusive spouse.

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

The hardware is locked down and proprietary. I wouldn't call it great.

Reddfugee42 ,

The hardware quality, seeing as I already spoke upon the programming and philosophy. Sorry, thought that was clear.

scytale ,

On mobile, forcing browsers to only be designed as re-skins of Safari. I would like an actual Firefox mobile browser that you can use uBO with. Right now Orion can do that somewhat, but it’s not polished.

panicnow ,

I really enjoy Apple products, but this is my biggest peeve. It’s not like I cannot manage without a different browser—certainly about half of americans primarily use Safari—but the flexibility and customization of Firefox or chromium would be very welcome.

Rai ,

Yehhh it’s interesting reading this thread but I’m on my still-super-fast five or six year old iPhone and my biggest complaint is I would LOVE to have an actual version of my beloved Firefox with plugins and whatnot. Firefox Focus works fine but it’s still WebKit. Safari works great with Wipr, vinegar, and baking soda but it’s no Firefox with ublock.

panicnow ,

I use Adguard, vinegar and baking soda, but wasn’t aware of Wipr. I might give it a try as a replacement for Adguard. Glad you mentioned it.

Rai ,

It’s not perfect, but I do appreciate it when I’m away from my PiHole! It’s also hella cheap, which I appreciate. I should check out AdGuard too!

Zerush ,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar
  • Worst relation price - performance, you pay design not features
  • Apple is own by Apple, never by the user
  • Not share-friendly with other phones or systems; you are locked within the Apple world, you can't even download a simple mp3 without installing first the iTunes app.
  • Almost not repairable
  • It's the closest of all closed source, hermetic against all out of the Apple ecosystem.
  • Not more private than other
fruitycoder ,

As a citizen of the world its because they are slavers and fuck slavery. One of the biggest lobbiest against fighting slavery too.

Having been friends and family IT though its because they suck. They suck to work on. They suck to devolop for. They suck to run server stuff on. They suck to game on. And they cost an arm and leg for the privilege.

KyuubiNoKitsune ,

They pioneered modern day planned obsolescence, they also popularised unrepairable electronics. They try to block or bastardise any right to repair bills. They force chip distributors to not sell chips they use so their products can't be repaired. They make building applications for Mac at scale a huge pain in the ass and extremely expensive, the solution I recently built wastes insane amounts of power because of the way Apple licenses their stuff.
Overall it's a shitty company who fucks poor people in developing nations, fucks the environment and fucks it's customers.
I don't care how well it may or may not work, fuck Apple.

Also OSX ui is shit and annoying.

TheAnonymouseJoker ,

Why not Apple devices?

iPhone does not allow you to have privacy due to its blackbox nature, and is simply a false marketing assurance by Apple to you. Recently, an unpatchable hardware flaw was discovered in Apple's T1 and T2 "security" chips, rendering Apple devices critically vulnerable.

Also, they recently dropped plan for encrypting iCloud backups after FBI complained. They also collect and sell data quite a lot. Siri still records conversations 9 months after Apple promised not to do it. Apple Mail app is vulnerable, yet Apple stays in denial.

Also, Apple sells certificates to third-party developers that allow them to track users, The San Ferdandino shooter publicity stunt was completely fraudulent, and Louis Rossmann dismantled Apple's PR stunt "repair program".

Apple gave the FBI access to the iCloud account of a protester accused of setting police cars on fire.

Apple's authorised repair leaked a customer's sex tape during iPhone repair. This is how much they respect your privacy. You want to know how much more they respect your privacy? Apple's Big Sur(veillance) fiasco seemed not enough, it seems. Still not enough to make your eyes pop wide open?

Apple's CSAM mandatory scanning of your local storage is a fiasco that will echo forever. This blog article should be of help. But they lied how their system was never hacked. I doubt. They even removed CSAM protection references off of their website for some reason.

Pretty sure atleast the most coveted privacy innovation of App Tracking protection with one button tracking denial would work, right? Pure. Privacy. Theater.

Surely this benevolent company blocked and destroyed Facebook and Google's ad network ecosystem by blocking all those bad trackers and ads. Sigh. Nope. Now it is just Apple having monopoly over your monetised data.

Also, Android's open source nature is starting to pay off in the long run. Apple 0-day exploits are far cheaper to do than Android.

rdri ,

Not supporting the open nature of hardware and software.

Basically it's too much of a hassle to make their software run on other hardware or use other software on their hardware.

Zerush ,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

https://i.vgy.me/hnTpC1.jpg https://i.vgy.me/Gy9Ah1.png

WolfLink ,
  1. There are cheaper 3rd party (and also cheaper 1st party) charging options
  2. That wheels kit is clearly aimed at big businesses and not something a normal consumer would buy

There’s plenty of real things to complain about Apple, no need to be petty like this.

Zerush ,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

Not only the wheels, take a llook on their store and it's hilarious prices for simple complements. Pitty that you must buy a charger apart for your phone which not even include it by default.

WolfLink ,

Sure, if I didn’t have 100 compatible chargers already from a variety of other products, and wasn’t willing to purchase 3rd party products, I’d have to buy a $20 adapter from Apple.

Also, I just checked and the latest Pixel comes with a cable but not a brick, same as the iPhone. Also Google’s cheapest power brick is $25, so it’s actually worse than Apple.

Got any real complaints?

Croquette ,

"Other company is worst so Apple is in the clear".Why are you shilling for a mega corp that doesn't give a shit about you?

WolfLink ,

If the worst thing Apple ever did was sell some optional components no one needs to buy to use their core products for more than you think is reasonable, Apple would be a fantastic company.

I’m not shilling a mega corp, I’m calling out petty bullshit. You’re the one making Apple look good by complaining about petty bullshit. Find something real to complain about.

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

They kill off third party solutions shamelessly.

WolfLink ,

?

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

You cant use standard parts in there hardware

WolfLink ,

You certainly can use 3rd party chargers

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

No you can't really as lightning requires you to pay royalties to Apple. It isn't a open connector. You can't even get anything faster than USB2 speeds.

BobaFuttbucker ,

iPhones have USB-C now…..

Rai ,

“What even are facts”

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

Only the most recent ones and everything but the "pro" model doesn't support anything but USB 2.

Not that it matters though as it is still a locked down ecosystem.

BobaFuttbucker ,

Fair, but now that they’re using USB-C that’s a temporary thing.

Also most people don’t need USB 3 speeds on their phones anyway because they don’t really plug them into anything that will take advantage of those speeds.

I realize some people do, and for those people the pro is the answer to that.

It seems like you just keep moving the goalpost to keep having a reason to hate Apple.

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

I connect peripherals to my phone. You can't do that with a iphone

BobaFuttbucker ,

Yes. I can, and I do.

Why do you keep moving the goalpost?

ji17br ,

Feel like I travelled the world reading this thread with the amount of goalpost moving.

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

Because I don't want an IPhone? I don't like Apple.

BobaFuttbucker ,

You don’t have to like them, you just keep revising the reason you hate them when it becomes clear your reason is wrong. You’re starting from the conclusion of “I don’t like Apple” and just working backwards. That’s what moving the goalpost is.

Asudox ,
@Asudox@lemmy.world avatar
  • Overpriced
  • Tim Cook
  • Closed ecosystem
  • People using Apple devices are usually people that don't know a thing about tech, yet boast about how good Apple is while criticizing other brands, blindly believing the marketing Apple does
  • Shitty decisions
  • Devices are designed to be as hard as possible to self-repair
  • Overpriced
phoneymouse , (edited )

What’s wrong with Tim Cook?

Edit: Downvoted for asking a question, y’all are miserable people.

Chadus_Maximus ,

I just hate being told what (not) to do. If there is a solution to the problem, fucking let me solve it. I don't need anyone's permission or be told to deal with it just like every other schmuck.

I feel like my intelligence is being personally insulted. Any company deciding that I shouldn't try to repair my phone, which is my property, because they believe I am too retarded to fix it, can suck a dick.

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