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omxxi ,

overpriced, jailed

Snapz ,

Walled garden, overpriced exploitation of that locked ecosystem ($5000 monitor stand kind of shit), green bubbles/blue bubbles, dominating all tech with their middle of the road/copycat approach where Android was eventually saturated with same type of execs and "gave up" on differentiating until everything was the same sealed back glass rectangle without MICRO SD expansion memory, leading the charge on "brave" feature killing enshitification like removing the headphone jack, plenty more...

gwen ,

what are 'green and blue bubbles'?

nathan ,

iMessage and sms

ArcaneSlime ,

Tbf that's more of an apple fanboy thing (though apple created, encouraged, and exploited that as an advertising technique, it's an extension of iPods and their "white headphone cord").

Basically apple cultists judge you as less than because you're too poor to afford an iphone and use android instead.

Apple is actually just a really good marketing company that hawks mediocre tech, not a mediocre tech company with a really good marketing team.

Snapz ,

An elitist dog whistle built to "other" the "poor" people - people that may have otherwise been successfully socializing or "passing" with wealthy people to the point of the first text message sent. Also a quiet tool for labor discrimination.

Only took them about 20 years of oppression to finally announce they would potentially end the practice.

airikr ,
  1. They have their own closed eco system
  2. They think money is key and throw large amounts at their consumers
  3. All source code is closed
  4. They are based in USA
  5. They love AI

Like what another person said, hate is a strong word. But when it comes to Big Tech, I'm all for the word.

Might have missed adding something to the list. Will add more if I have.

TheFonz ,

If not USA, where ought they be based? Costa Rica?

poVoq ,
@poVoq@slrpnk.net avatar

For example in a country with actual privacy laws that also get enforced... like most of the EU or several east Asian countries.

airikr ,

Anywhere in Europe so GDPR can be fully used and so Apple will not have the same power over their users as they have today.

Ilandar ,

The problem with iOS is the lack of freedom and control you have as a user. Yes, Apple may be "better than Google" when it comes to some aspects of default privacy on their devices (being better than the worst is hardly something to brag about), but as a user the level of privacy you can achieve on your iPhone is always limited by the design of the operating system, where you are just a user with no permissions and no ability to modify or even replace the operating system entirely. You are locked into a proprietary ecosystem that you cannot get out of.

hanrahan ,
@hanrahan@slrpnk.net avatar

Hates too strong a word for me, walled garden is unacceptable, completly unacceptable.

I get 1/2 my apps from F Drod.

RootBeerGuy ,
@RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

You got 2 apps on your phone???

...sorry, could not resist

vingetcxly ,

..

dog_ ,

Because I want to repair and fix my things without needing special software or proprietary tools. Along with a userbase of American teens who will treat you like shit just based on the phone you have.

I'm so glad I switched away.

uriel238 ,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

It begins with Apple's petty reasons to prohibit The Binding of Isaac from the Apple store.

BynaD ,

I never heard of this, what happened?

uriel238 ,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Exactly as per the label in 2016, the biblical themes and involvement of children were too spicy for the App Store, and the folks in Apple weren't allowed to think outside their box, so it was rejected.

Even now, Apple is fighting gunpower and gelatine to sabotage all efforts to allow side-loads and stores they cannot control.

RubberElectrons ,
@RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

I don't care how nice the sports car is, if it's not going where I want it to, I'm not getting in.

DudeImMacGyver ,
@DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works avatar

Anti-consumer shit like crazy pricing, doing everything they can to discourage repairs, going after third party parts/accessories/service, and how locked down their OSes are. Also, it's ridiculous that they don't have any sort of real enterprise management and IT has to rely on third party stuff (ironic given how Apple can be about third party stuff sometimes).

SuperSpruce ,

It boils down to two broad categories for me:

  1. How locked down the OS is on iPhones and iPads. We've seen recent progress (Safari extensions, retro console emulators), but we're still far from a serious OS. iOS still lacks a proper file management system (especially for playing back local audio) and no side-loading is still a deal breaker.
  2. Obscene markups for easily accessible parts. Apple still believes 8GB RAM is worth $200, and they believe 1TB storage is worth $800. I'd rather just get something with replaceable RAM and storage.
ssm ,
@ssm@lemmy.sdf.org avatar
  • Closed software (and hardware if we count in house arm chips?) ecosystem is bad for security and privacy
  • Apple is subject to ancap US corporate law, which means they can realistically do whatever they want with your data (and it would be a bad business decision not to) with no real punishments/business expenses if they're caught
  • Large number of users increases interest for state backdoors
  • *BSD has mostly the same userland, is totally free, and open source
dessalines , (edited )
@dessalines@lemmy.ml avatar

Few reasons, first is this: https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/b476165f-9f19-4ece-8ecf-51283ba01fb6.jpeg . Seems like as long as something has a clean interface, or it looks shiny enough, then all its privacy faults are overlooked.

Apple also seems to intentionally cultivate and sell their products as privacy-friendly, which is clearly not the case (see image above).

2nd reason is that I had an iphone 2g (one of the first models, I forget which one), and it had bluetooth support. An iOS update broke it, and when I reached out to apple, they lied to me and told me my device had no bluetooth module at all. They're one of the worst offenders of planned obsolescence, and have become one of the richest companies on the planet because of it.

3rd reason: they sell overpriced products to mainly to high-income imperial-core consumers, selling an image of "upper-class professional". Look at a graph of iOS market share worldwide, vs its market share in the richest countries. Apple didn't even bother to condescend to make affordable products for the global south.

The markup on iphones is something outrageous, like 40% of the purchase price is going to the shareholders of apple, not the workers who built the phones. By buying apple, you are mainly supporting these wealthy parasites. Its also why other smartphone brands have higher performance at half the cost of iphones. They really bank on the fact that they're selling an upper-class identity, and less of a phone.

4th reason: Their ecosystem is locked down in such a way as to make it difficult for open source development. iirc apple won't even let you use the GPL for any app on their app store.

eldavi ,

I wonder if younger millennials' and Gen z's overwhelming preference for iPhones over Androids is indicative anything in the future

dessalines ,
@dessalines@lemmy.ml avatar

Only in imperial-core countries, most Gen Z's worldwide don't use apple products.

eldavi ,

apple products are coveted both in and out of imperial core; whether or not they can afford them.

my point is that the most well educated and leftist leaning generations we've ever had (i'm assuming) continues to place a premium on products like these and that makes the eventuality of breaking out of this imperialist cycle seem unrealistic.

Betawhat OP ,
@Betawhat@lemmy.zip avatar

Wow, this is the most complete answer I have ever seen. But is it wrong if I stay at Apple? Are there any competitors on the Android side that are worth it (I am thinking in particular of a pixel on which GrapheneOS is installed)?

dessalines ,
@dessalines@lemmy.ml avatar

I don't think it's wrong to stay with apple, you could always just go with something else for your next phone, although if you are concerned enough about the privacy aspect, you could always sell your phone, and get some advice about which are the best smartphone models to run the privacy-focused android variants.

Some of them list the devices they work on, like lineageOS.

There's ppl here a lot more knowledgeable than I am here that could help you choose one.

Betawhat OP ,
@Betawhat@lemmy.zip avatar

I was thinking about Nothing Phone 2. Does the brand give off a good image in terms of privacy?

RubberElectrons ,
@RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

I'll mention that a pixel with CalyxOS works great as well, no google code code other than AOSP which helps battery life a lot.

Some things like voice controlled companion or android auto are being implemented, but I never really gave a fuck about that stuff, being on bicycle or motorcycle only.

dog_ ,

I'm currently using Graphene and I love it. There are some features in this OS that i have never seen before. It feels like I'm just running a regular OS. I don't notice anything unusual.

One thing I really like with gOS is the ability to remove network permission on apps. I use Gboard with no network, and I have found it so far to be the best keyboard for me.

Sneptaur ,
@Sneptaur@pawb.social avatar

I think for most privacy nuts it comes down to “I don’t trust them and it’s closed source. They could be hiding anything in that code.”

And then there’s the people who can’t afford or won’t spend the money it takes to have an enjoyable Apple experience. It genuinely costs multiple thousands of dollars to get into the Apple ecosystem and then it’s massively painful to get out. It’s basically just “corporation bad” because corporations are bad. The only way to be truly private is to not carry a phone at all and use only
FOSS solutions.

improbablypoopingrn ,

I keep hearing how painful it is to get out. Can someone please elaborate on this?

I am not super tech savvy and was DEEP in the ecosystem but didn't think it was hard by any stretch.

I migrated my data, purged my files, canceled my subscriptions in a few taps/clicks, sold our imacs, MacBook pros, homepods and iPhones and moved on with my life and haven't looked back since. Took maybe an afternoon for the data piece and a few other after-the-fact logins to cancel things I forgot about. This is legit the 4th time in two days I've read this comment so I am just genuinely curious!

ji17br ,

For me the biggest thing would be apps. No way I’d want to re-buy all my apps on the play store.

Sneptaur ,
@Sneptaur@pawb.social avatar

If you have terabytes of data in iCloud, use their mail, contacts, photos, everything? Plus decades of purchased content, expensive devices losing functionality by dropping the iPhone… you have to basically replace everything with something else and it’s tedious especially for a less techy person. This is the reason walled gardens are anti consumer.

Zerush ,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

https://i.vgy.me/hnTpC1.jpg https://i.vgy.me/Gy9Ah1.png

WolfLink ,
  1. There are cheaper 3rd party (and also cheaper 1st party) charging options
  2. That wheels kit is clearly aimed at big businesses and not something a normal consumer would buy

There’s plenty of real things to complain about Apple, no need to be petty like this.

Zerush ,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

Not only the wheels, take a llook on their store and it's hilarious prices for simple complements. Pitty that you must buy a charger apart for your phone which not even include it by default.

WolfLink ,

Sure, if I didn’t have 100 compatible chargers already from a variety of other products, and wasn’t willing to purchase 3rd party products, I’d have to buy a $20 adapter from Apple.

Also, I just checked and the latest Pixel comes with a cable but not a brick, same as the iPhone. Also Google’s cheapest power brick is $25, so it’s actually worse than Apple.

Got any real complaints?

Croquette ,

"Other company is worst so Apple is in the clear".Why are you shilling for a mega corp that doesn't give a shit about you?

WolfLink ,

If the worst thing Apple ever did was sell some optional components no one needs to buy to use their core products for more than you think is reasonable, Apple would be a fantastic company.

I’m not shilling a mega corp, I’m calling out petty bullshit. You’re the one making Apple look good by complaining about petty bullshit. Find something real to complain about.

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

They kill off third party solutions shamelessly.

WolfLink ,

?

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

You cant use standard parts in there hardware

WolfLink ,

You certainly can use 3rd party chargers

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

No you can't really as lightning requires you to pay royalties to Apple. It isn't a open connector. You can't even get anything faster than USB2 speeds.

BobaFuttbucker ,

iPhones have USB-C now…..

Rai ,

“What even are facts”

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

Only the most recent ones and everything but the "pro" model doesn't support anything but USB 2.

Not that it matters though as it is still a locked down ecosystem.

BobaFuttbucker ,

Fair, but now that they’re using USB-C that’s a temporary thing.

Also most people don’t need USB 3 speeds on their phones anyway because they don’t really plug them into anything that will take advantage of those speeds.

I realize some people do, and for those people the pro is the answer to that.

It seems like you just keep moving the goalpost to keep having a reason to hate Apple.

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

I connect peripherals to my phone. You can't do that with a iphone

BobaFuttbucker ,

Yes. I can, and I do.

Why do you keep moving the goalpost?

ji17br ,

Feel like I travelled the world reading this thread with the amount of goalpost moving.

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

Because I don't want an IPhone? I don't like Apple.

BobaFuttbucker ,

You don’t have to like them, you just keep revising the reason you hate them when it becomes clear your reason is wrong. You’re starting from the conclusion of “I don’t like Apple” and just working backwards. That’s what moving the goalpost is.

frauddogg ,
@frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Overpriced, locked down hardware, walled garden software, and a snobbish userbase. I simplify it all down to "I'm not paying 500 more dollars for a logo."

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