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Zerush ,
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  • Worst relation price - performance, you pay design not features
  • Apple is own by Apple, never by the user
  • Not share-friendly with other phones or systems; you are locked within the Apple world, you can't even download a simple mp3 without installing first the iTunes app.
  • Almost not repairable
  • It's the closest of all closed source, hermetic against all out of the Apple ecosystem.
  • Not more private than other
Cybermonk_Taiji ,

Their walled garden bullshit.

Proprietary cables? Get fucked.

Zetta ,

This, Apple is very anti consumer and you have no freedom to use their devices how you want, only how apple wants.

RememberTheApollo_ ,

One of the biggest walled gardens around. Also, they treat users like they’re stupid. No, you can’t do anything with your hardware or software that we don’t want you to. No, you can’t fix it, either. Windows/Linux you’re free to break shit, change whatever you want (not always for windows), repair a system you build yourself, etc. And I despise apple’s perceived “status” and premium pricing. We joke about , but there’s some weird social cache around messaging and even dating where you have to have an iPhone to participate. Tf is wrong with people.

Chadus_Maximus ,

I just hate being told what (not) to do. If there is a solution to the problem, fucking let me solve it. I don't need anyone's permission or be told to deal with it just like every other schmuck.

I feel like my intelligence is being personally insulted. Any company deciding that I shouldn't try to repair my phone, which is my property, because they believe I am too retarded to fix it, can suck a dick.

Zak ,
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Major privacy issues that come to mind include:

  • App store lock-in on iOS combined with terms incompatible with the GPL mean that some of the most privacy-respecting software cannot be distributed for Apple's mobile devices.
  • Apple proposed, but ultimately did not implement client-side scanning for end-to-end encrypted cloud storage. That such a thing even made it to the public proposal stage shows either incompetence (unlikely) or a lack of serious commitment to privacy (more likely). Apple's proposal may have emboldened EU regulators who are trying to mandate client-side scanning for encrypted chat apps.
  • Browser engine lock-in on iOS means hardened third-party browsers are unavailable.
  • The popularity of Apple's platform-exclusive iMessage service in the USA may be hindering adoption of cross-platform encrypted messaging. On the other hand, without it perhaps most of its current users would use SMS, which is obviously worse.
fl42v ,

They're more secure (albeit in many wsys security through obscurity) than private, although the privacy aspect is probably among the best you can get by default as far as I can tell. On the other hand, if you're willing to do some relatively simple steps and buy specific hardware, you can achieve better privacy and security on both mobile (graphene) and desktop (qubes) devices.

I personally dislike them for building unrepareable crap, tho.

ahal ,

I don't hate Apple in terms of privacy. I hate Apple for a myriad of other reasons. Mostly related to locked down ecosystems.

autonomoususer ,

Do they really think we believe any of their lies? We don't control macOS, iOS, anti-libre software (it fails to include a libre software license text file, like AGPL). Dangerous! 🚩

possiblylinux127 ,
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So I'm confused on what your point is

autonomoususer , (edited )

They control it, not us. It's anti-libre, dangerous.

possiblylinux127 ,
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That isn't the case though

I literally run it on my own hardware. Zero proprietary software is needed.

autonomoususer ,

macOS is proprietary.

possiblylinux127 ,
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I don't use MacOS. Never did I say I use Mac OS

It sounds like you may be lacking an understanding. I run Debian in a VM that has Ollama and OpenWebUI. The base OS is Linux I just use VMs to separate everything out.

ZeroTemp ,

I use Mac's at work and whenever I have to use 3rd party accessories (keyboard, mouse, headset, USB switch, etc) that are not apple products they tend to have some issues. I use the same accessories on my personal PC and have never had any issues that unplugging and plugging back in didn't fix. Also I hate that I need to use two USB C to HDMI connectors to have two displays connected to my laptop.

rebelsimile ,

Not sure if that’s a quirk of your particular laptop but I’ve been using a thunderbolt to dual displayport adapter for years and it works great out of one port to drive a pair of 240hz 1440p displays.

ZeroTemp ,

It very well could be the mac that I have. It's a work laptop so it's not the top of the line mac book pro, so some more advanced display features may be missing. I haven't tried the dual displayport connection only HDMI. Might be worth checking out. Thanks for the tip!

muntedcrocodile ,

Cos i dont trust anything that says privacy but doesnt open source and provide reproducible builds.

tahoe ,

Their latest announcements are interesting because they say some of their privacy claims will be verifiable by independent firms (mainly when it comes to their custom built AI servers iirc). Is this actually worth something or is it just marketing fluff?

jjlinux ,

Independent firms hired by them? Right. I don't think "independent" means what they think it means.

kbotc ,

I mean, the Linux lmza exploit was found by a Microsoft engineer. Just because dollars exchange hands doesn’t mean the data provided is invalid.

Companies hire Jepsen to validate their code for example, and you’d be a damn fool not to accept their analysis.

gaylord_fartmaster ,

Are you under the impression Microsoft was being paid to find that exploit or something? How is that at all related?

That truly was an independent third-party finding an exploit, and do you know why it was possible? Because the code was open source.

Great point.

jjlinux , (edited )

That could very well be the case. However, I would have to be seriously gullible to believe anything those closed companies promote an "independent" party paid by them found, moreso if the findings only serve to push their proven lies forward for "public perception'.

In this case it's and actual independent party auditing open source code, that makes much more sense.

Just because dollars exchange hands doesn’t mean the data provided is invalid.

You are absolutely correct. What means the provided data is invalid is the fact that these companies are regularly found lying about how they handle our " privacy" or how secure they are. Just search for "Apple lied" and see all the instances and how they try to bury it all via PR bullshit.

I believe that, out of Amazon, Google, Meta, Microsoft and Apple, Apple is the lesser evil, but that means shit when they all do the same, just in different ways and at varying degrees.

muntedcrocodile ,

Who gives a fuck what the server was running when tested. Its not like large companies have ever designed software specifically designed to fool when being tested is it cough vw cough. Its worth something so its probs gonna be fine for the majority of people but never trust anythibg that isnt on hardware u control running verifiably open source code or e2e encrypted.

therealjcdenton ,
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Not because of their privacy choices, but because they have made it impossible for people to leave their ecosystem, and anyone outside of it can't use anything from apple (not like I would anyway)

Beaver ,
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There is no sideloading

No unlocked bootloader on iPhone, iPads and Apple Watches

The products are not repairable enough

EntropyPure ,

Well, there is in the EU, but that does not help anyone not here.

An unlocked boot loader is something that would have to be forced from Apple’s hands like sideloading was in the EU. No way in hell they would pursue that on their own.

Rapairability is a point that bugs me as well, hoping for right to repair laws in the EU to force all manufacturers to make the devices better in that regard.

doodle967 ,

Sideloading apps

thepaperpilot Admin ,
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I don't hate apple. Especially from a privacy record, they actually have a far superior history than essentially every other hardware manufacturer out there.

I think they're overpriced and I don't agree with some of their design decisions, and in general feel like they could give the consumer more control over things, which is why I don't personally have an iPhone or iPad etc., I use them at work and have nothing against them in general)

poVoq , (edited )
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Especially from a privacy record, they actually have a far superior history than essentially every other hardware manufacturer out there.

That's what their marketing department wants you to believe. But basically all independent investigations into that have concluded that Apple is no better, just that they collect all the data themselves rather than allowing you to have it collected by Facebook etc.

If you look into their privacy policy etc. its very obvious that they exclude all their own surveillance advertisement and privacy invasive stuff from the limits imposed on others. If they truly cared about privacy they would not make these exceptions for themselves.

TheAnonymouseJoker ,

I don't hate apple. Especially from a privacy record, they actually have a far superior history than essentially every other hardware manufacturer out there.

Is there a source that has independently verified and tested this claim? Or is this a fabrication of strings made out of your asshair?

patchexempt ,

they make bad products that are media darlings because it's fashion more than anything. they're treated like consumer advocates but they are one of the absolute worst companies for vendor lock-in, and are absolutely anti-consumer, but will have innumerable articles written about how they're "the best" for any given measure. it drives me nuts how the public perception of them is the complete opposite of what they actually are, and i don't get it.

also their software is bad. all due credit their hardware impressed but it doesn't matter if the software is crap.

and they aren't private: they've got all your data but have somehow convinced everyone that it's fine that they have it because they're somehow better than every other large tech company.

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