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roofuskit ,

5 seconds of silence vs 30+ seconds of ads. Tough choice Google, tough choice.

AgentGrimstone ,

It's like when a teacher can't target the bad kid so they punish the whole class instead.

CannedCairn ,

Oh wow, I just opened lemmy because a YouTube video was taking extra time to open in Firefox lol.

Churbleyimyam ,

So what? I have to wait about 5 seconds anyway because I have a slow internet connection. No big deal. 5 seconds of not watching a youtube video is probably good for you.

badbytes ,

Whatever you say Google. Hey EU, Google wants to chat with you.

Senshi ,

Isn't it weird that EU, famous for being so fragmented that they can't decide on common interior or foreign policy, all while being ridiculed for their large and inefficient bureaucracy, still is the sole entity that manages to stand up to mega corporations?

And those are sometimes fights that have zero benefit to a different wealthy elite, but actually protect citizen liberties.

I shudder to think how the world would look like if EU had not established and enforced the GDPR as well as it does. Consumer protection is probably one of the only fields where the EU had a global positive impact.

amotio ,

This delay has happened on Brave browser too, it's not FF specific. But it's pathetic either way.

I mean, if they really wanted to show you ads, they could just switch the returned stream when the video player calls for certain chunk, then when that ad is done playing, switch back to the original stream. The user experience would be basically like watching TV.

only0218 ,

Or just literally do not serve the video.

Nvm that would imply heavy tracking and integrity drm bullshit
Rather not let android WebView integrity grow...

Guster ,

I'm using Firefox but is it not possible to block ads in chrome too?

Got_Bent ,

If they haven't already, Google is in the process of disabling ad block extensions on all chrome based browsers. There have been a ton of posts about this on Lemmy.

Random article that came up on search

https://www.androidauthority.com/google-chrome-manifest-v3-changes-3386506/

Ignisnex ,
@Ignisnex@lemmy.world avatar

Not when they roll out manifest v3

kras ,
@kras@lemmy.world avatar

It won't be possible in the future. It should be happening soonish if I'm remembering correctly. There's a change to how add-ons will be allowed to work in chrome.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

5 second ad delay in blessed silence

5 seconds of someone screaming into my ear "BUY! BUY! BUY!"

Oh, no! Better disable my ad blocker quick!

reagansrottencorpse ,

They forced our hands in creating and using adblockers. Remember how awful the web was getting before we could adblock? Pop ups, force play videos with full sound, entire webpages full of ads with a tiny bit of content in the middle.

Zacryon ,

I don't mind ads, I understand that websites need to finance themselves to cover their costs (and maybe build up some capital to expand). But I do mind tracking, user profiling, personalization / user targeting, trading this data with dubious companies worldwide, and obnoxious ads, for example pop-ups or auto-play videos with a 1 micron sized close button, or a forced timed ad which is hiding the content.

It's like having a bunch of people following you around, taking note of everything you do, evaluating that data, making statistics, dicsussing it with other people you don't know, etc.. Then, when you want to make yourself a sandwich, step in between you and your sandwich, taking up a megaphone and scream into your face : "OH, WE NOTICED THAT YOU ARE MAKING A SANDWICH. CAN WE INTERST YOU IN NEW FANCY BUTTER KNIVES FOR ONLY 59,99 €?" [Then going on about it for 3 minutes before they are stepping out of your way].

There are laws against that in real life, and in the digital realm this is missing. Considering how much time a lot of people spend online this is something which needs to be taken seriously.

It's really scary sometimes. There was a time when I was stupid enough to use facebook, just to stay in touch with friends. Once I talked with a friend about allergies and asthma, and I told them I have a pollen allergy. A short time later an ad showed up on my facebook feed, advertising some nasal spray for allergies. Wtf?! And that's just the surface. "Harmless" ads. Who knows what else happens with that data?

And then we get stuff like Cambridge Analytica.

SCB ,

I find this so weird. Like, I want the exact literal opposite of what you want - I want personalized ads about shit I might conceivably click on.

I want usable personalized internet that knows where I am and offers me local deals and hotspots.

The hell are you so afraid of? Honestly?

Sunfoil ,

So you want to constantly be a slave to your consumerist impulses as you uncritically consume everything thrown at you, despite all the evidence that these companies can literally manipulate your perception of reality through targeted political advertising and echo chambers? Enjoy your terrifying dystopia, but at least you think you're getting a 'local deal' so who cares, right?

SCB ,

So you want to constantly be a slave to your consumerist impulses as you uncritically consume everything thrown at you,

Holy shit dude what happens to you when you see an ad??

Sunfoil ,

You need to inform yourself about advertising. Go and look up Edward Bernays. You literally can't stop ads affecting you, except by eliminating them. You think you're being a critical consumer, but you're right where they want you.

Zacryon ,

Filter bubbles are one thing, which I find is a huge disadvantage to personalization. You'll never learn about new stuff, because it will never be presented to you, since someone assumes that you blong to a specific box.

Another is that I value my privacy. It's no one's business what I do, when, where, with whom and how. Apart from that, there is no guarantee that this information is not being misused.

For example, I'm thinking about political campaigns, which target specific user groups on the one hand, or spread misinformation and distrust to others. I see such forms of information steering as detrimental to democratic societies. Free and unbiased information is crucial for critical thinking.

MrOxiMoron ,

https://www.reddit.com/r/uBlockOrigin/comments/17tm9rp/comment/k9i62zu/ for a working fix

calcopiritus ,

For those that don't want to click on a reddit link:

Credit to u/paintboth1234

www.youtube.com##+js(nano-stb, resolve(1), *, 0.001)

kumatomic ,

The degree in which corporations engage in psychological warfare against customers is astounding. Not surprising, just outrageous. Don't want notifications on? We're going to ask you to turn on notifications in the the program every single day until you do it. Don't want to watch ads because our infinite greed has destroyed what used to be a good platform with a reasonable number of ads before we bought it? Then we'll make the experience less pleasant until you comply. They already make multiple parts of YouTube disagree with ad blockers on purpose to break the sites features. Not that I use anything other than NewPipe and Piped anymore anyway. I'm just sick of shitty corporations acting like we're children who can be punished.

queue ,
@queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

"They're the same picture."

Also, that does not explain why:

  • Chrome users who use an adblocker don't get the issue
  • Firefox users who do not use an adblocker get the issue
  • FIrefox users who use an adblocker, but change User Agent to Chrome, don't get the issue

Now, if only we knew who made Chrome and YouTube... The mind boggles.

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

Given that Google's been talking about switching Chrome to a new plugin format that would limit the ability of adblockers to function on Chrome, and given that Google owns Youtube and profits from the ads Youtube displays...

Nope, I'm not connecting the dots. Not sure why Google would be wanting people switch from Firefox to Chrome at this time.

flappy ,

What really pisses me off is that mv3 is becoming a standard that Vivaldi, Firefox, Opera, Edge, etc. will use.

Matth78 ,
@Matth78@lemmy.world avatar

Mind you that Firefox will adjust it to be able to fully support ad blocker.

barnaclebutt ,

The last scenario is clearly a breach of anti-trust laws. It is time for alphabet to be broken up. Their monopoly is way worse than AT&T every was.

thanevim ,

Alphabet's monopoly is bad, make no mistake.

But they aren't controlling all electronic means of communication for 90% of the continental United States, as AT&T did in the ma' bell and pa' bell days.

theneverfox ,

Uh... Gmail, Ad sense, search?

They've got like a dozen duopolies going on, they have far more control and ability to leverage it than Bell ever did

tiredofsametab ,

I know several websites consider firefox's built-in privacy settings an adblocker in certain configurations. I get notices on many sites and use no adblocker. Not sure if it's the case here.

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