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TheBlue22 ,

Its an apple product, I don't feel like wasting money on overpriced closed source garbage

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Mixed reality has a ton of potential seeing the Quest 3, but they are usually not seamless enough.

If Apple can pull this one off then 3500 is a lot of money but some people spend this much on a TV or a bike. If it's a truly amazing AR experience it might be well worth that price.

allroy ,

can I put expensive wheels on it?

mriormro ,
@mriormro@lemmy.world avatar

Can’t wait for these demos to be the new Covid epicenters.

GilgameshCatBeard ,

I’d buy one if it were useful enough.

dukk ,

I’d buy one if it were reasonably priced.

And009 ,

How's it not useful? It provides an additional display to the ecosystem and a kind of immersion that is simply unrivaled unless you're with friends and family (weirdos)

The cost here is a bigger decisive factor, it's meant for early adopters, developers and tech entrepreneurs who will actually influence how the general public ends up using it for.

thorbot ,

I don’t think they were saying it’s not useful. Personally I can’t see myself wearing this often enough to justify the cost

erranto , (edited )

I don't believe Apple made this product to sell. it might be just marketing ploy to keep people talking about Apple and how they are always ahead of the curve. they have a brand reputation to maintain.

thorbot ,

They don’t care if it sells or not. It shows the tech industry that they are still “at the forefront” and “relevant”. Apple can’t appear to be left behind. This is also a way for developers to jump in and start making things for Apple’s inevitable AR glasses that this thing was supposed to be. In 5 years, they’ll use all the data and development they’ve collected from this headset for their newer devices.

TargaryenTKE ,

This is exactly right. They did the same thing with the iPhone. Launched with minimal features, riddled with bugs, the butt of every joke and cynical opinion, and let the consumers tell them exactly what was wrong with it in excruciating detail. 5 years later, a literal majority of all human beings alive had one in their hands (or similar products from their competitors). Will this specific product be any good? No, probably not. But in 10 years or so, it may very well be the next thing everybody has to have in order to function in society

Yewb ,

If its amazing like revolutionary amazing it would change my mind, if it's just a vr headset nope.

rickdg ,
@rickdg@lemmy.world avatar

It's a mixed reality headset that works. Still too expensive for consumers.

ordellrb ,

25 min of VR-Porn nice

Zevlen ,

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    ordellrb ,

    Its Apple, that will be 99.99$

    uriel238 ,
    @uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Is this VR or AR or both? And how robust is the actual software support?

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    It's whatever you need it to be, baby. Just hand over the cash and Apple will make your dreams come true.

    DrinkMonkey ,

    To give a non-snarky answer, it does AR with external cameras and an incredibly low lag such that those who have tried it have said makes it almost natural (the resolution apparently isn’t perfect, but there is no discernible input lag when looking around which happens on other similar devices). But you can dial up the opacity to wind up in a fully VR environment. So, it is in fact, both.

    Your question about software is a big one. Apple is advertising 1M apps available at launch (good) but these are iPad apps, which can run on Vision OS without any modifications by the developers (not so good). That does not mean it will be a good experience. I was listening to a podcast today where a developer clearly stated that after getting a chance to try their app on device at a lab, they totally stopped development because they missed the mark completely with their imagination and the simulator on how it should work. You’ll still be able to run their iPad app, but until they get their hands on their own hardware to iterate more rapidly, they’re giving up.

    All that to say it’s unclear how many apps will be natively designed to work with it on launch, and if these will be any good.

    Thankfully I don’t live in the US so I am immune to this particular reality distortion field. For now…

    hai ,
    @hai@lemmy.ml avatar

    I wholeheartedly believe that Apple is a marketing company more than a tech company.

    pete_the_cat ,

    I hate what the company stands for, but they do have brilliant marketing and make beautiful products.

    Croquette ,

    Every successful mega corp is a marketing company. Just look at video games where the marketing budget is the same as the development budget.

    thorbot ,

    Honestly, I just want to experience it for 25 minutes and then I think I would be good. My Valve Index does enough for me for gaming, and I am not wearing a headset all day to work.

    dpkonofa ,

    As someone with an Index, I’m interested in this because it doesn’t need the lighthouses. The fact that the index can only work in one place in my house without needing mount points severely limits its usefulness to me.

    thorbot ,

    That's a good point! My lighthouses sometimes disconnect to, so I have to unplug and re-plug them to get it working, which is a barrier in itself.

    MilitantAtheist ,

    No thanks. I have never, and will never give any money to apple.

    nutsack ,

    bad ass man 👞 ♂️

    thorbot ,

    Yeah that guy is the real chad of Lemmy

    WhiteOakBayou ,

    Shoe man, kick man, shoe male, foot male, step man? I don't know am I in the ballpark?

    vtguy ,

    Seconded. Few other companies can come close to the global, societal damage Apple has committed.

    Custoslibera ,

    Shell, BP, Exxon Mobil, Raytheon, Boeing, Rio Tinto, BHP, Nestle.

    Nope Apple is the worst.

    Sometimes Lemmy has way too much of a bias towards tech for its own good…

    capital ,

    How do I learn to be brave like you?

    GilgameshCatBeard ,

    Okay.

    ugjka ,
    @ugjka@lemmy.world avatar

    This is dead tech, they're only pushing it because it is 10 years of billions in R&D and a lot of egos involved

    GiddyGap ,

    VR is actually really fun for gaming, but you don't need a $3500 headset for that.

    ugjka ,
    @ugjka@lemmy.world avatar

    It is fun for a while but for most people the novelty wears off quickly and a vr headset just sits mostly unused in some cabinet. Wearing this kind of thing on your head is just annoying

    thorbot , (edited )

    It doesn't sit around if you find out about certain applications ... cough cough Virt-a-Mate

    edit: downvote me haters, your loss

    GiddyGap ,

    There's new content coming out all the time.

    Tarquinn2049 ,

    The main problem is that they aren't comfortable to every head out of the box. They may never be able to achieve that. But third party comfort mods can take any headset to 8+ hours of perfect comfort for 99+% of people. And once you find out what works for your head personally, you can make all your future headsets just as comfortable first try. But the first time, you might have to try a few different options.

    The VR communities have guides for how to try out a home-made free version of each type of comfort mod so you can more confidently purchase a more professionally made version. But even with that, I can see it being a sticking point. All we can hope is that 10 years from now, buying mods for your headset on day 1 is as normal as buying phone accessories day 1 with a new phone. And you can just ask your neighbor about what mods are good instead of the weird nerd in your life. Also, if you don't have a weird nerd in your life, that is step 1 to making sure you'll be ready for new tech early enough to benefit from seeming like you know what you are doing by the time everyone else finally gets on board.

    uriel238 ,
    @uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    I still haven't had the opportunity to try it. That said, I am very susceptible to motion sickness, and need what I see to match my balance or I start getting woozy fast. (It means I don't get to surf the web much on trolleys or busses, though I'm okay on BART)

    I also can't ride those jostle rides. Star Tours at Disneland circa mid 1990s actually had it synced pretty well, but before and since, all these rights are a fast-track to vomittown.

    So I'd need a game to be super Johnny-on-the-spot with framerate and matching the screen to the orientation of the headset. At $300+ it's been too expensive an experiment to consider the possibility it may sit on my shelf as a puke engine.

    ExLisper ,

    Can't wait to see people wearing those around the office. Thinking about it. if you remove the desk, monitors, keyboard, mouse and just sit down bunch of programmers next to each other with those goggles it can actually be cheaper for the company to run an office even at 3.5k per headset.

    nutsack ,

    a monitor keyboard and mouse costs more than 3500?

    what the fuck are you going to do at work without a keyboard and mouse?

    what

    sizzler ,

    Did you even read what they said? Read it again, they were talking about tables and monitors as well.

    Also I may need to point out they were making a joke about cramming more people into a smaller space.

    ExLisper ,

    Clearly you don't know what an office desk costs...

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    Laptops run around $1k. Desks are... $1200, tops? Unless you're doing the mahogany lawyer desk thing. Keyboard and mouse are less than $100 for the set.

    And we also generally don't need to replace our desks every 3-5 years, because they can no longer support the hardware sitting on them.

    ExLisper ,
    • two monitors and desk separators. So instead of spending $2000 per employee you spend $3500 but cram 3 where you used to fit only 1. Also, you can put windows with nice view and office decor in the VR so the office can now be in a basement with blank walls. You would save tons of money on real estate.
    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    So instead of spending $2000 per employee you spend $3500 but cram 3 where you used to fit only 1

    How many departments have you managed in your life?

    ExLisper ,

    Many but I'm not hiring now, sorry.

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    Uh huh.

    Socsa ,

    The tech bro kit MacBook Pro can easily get to $3k.

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    So just don't purchase overpriced Crapple products. Problem solved.

    pete_the_cat ,

    Windows/Linux based high end laptops are a grand or so, an entry level MacBook can easily be $1500-2000.

    harold999 ,

    MYOB will run on an Intel Atom, barely running above neutral.

    lledrtx ,

    Imagine how many people you can pack in a small space. You only would need 2ft x 2ft space per person and you can put the entire company on a single floor!

    /s

    Etterra ,

    Oh yeah like I wanna get head lice from the snot-nosed kid some mom dumped there so she could go get some Starbucks in peace.

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